[talkanor]

yay release date is out 15. may

share your diablo 1/2 memories

[Guthix]

****ing amazon and necro all the way!

[mrburritto107]

there are no necro in the new one

[Guthix]

yeah i know kinda a bummer, i loved raising armies to fight for me while all i do is boost my running speed and mana

[regnier]

the witch doctor will be the new necro/druid. i think i will play a barbarian or a wizard. did someone know if it gonna be free too play?

[talkanor]

the witch doctor will be the new necro/druid. i think i will play a barbarian or a wizard. did someone know if it gonna be free too play?

buy the game and play no sub fee

[bloodlover1987]

demon hunter !

[regnier]

we should do a amv hell group on diablo 3

[abyssion1337]

Amazon was a class? I thought it was just an extra person they added to make the character select screen not a sausage fest, at least until the expansion.

[glory of llama]

was sorceress a tranny then?

[Guthix]

Amazon was a class? I thought it was just an extra person they added to make the character select screen not a sausage fest, at least until the expansion.

im not sure what your sayin sir. are you claiming she was bad?

[abyssion1337]

was sorceress a tranny then?

No, you're right a 3:1 male to female ratio is totally not a sausage fest.

[Guthix]

erm 3:4

[glory of llama]

yeah, it was originall 2:3, then the expansion made it 3:4

[abyssion1337]

erm 3:4

someone didn't read my original post...

[jinzo64]

erm some here hasn't played diablo.
it's an online multiplayer game it's a simalar genre to the likes of wow and lol right?

[abyssion1337]

erm some here hasn't played diablo.
it's an online multiplayer game it's a simalar genre to the likes of wow and lol right?
No, not even a little, actually LoL and WoW aren't even a little like each other either.

[jinzo64]

i fought they would all fall in the genre of mmorpgs.
is this wrong?

[abyssion1337]

very wrong

Diablo is a straight up dungeon crawler
Diablo 2 is a WRPG, there's dungeon crawling elements and they keep the isometric viewpoint, but it's much more rpg than D 1
WoW is the prototypical MMORPG
LoL is a MOBA

Diablo and Diablo 2 have mulitplayer but you're limited to 6 people in a game at a time

1 for each class, cause Amazon doesn't count and isn't a class.

[jinzo64]

i see thanks for that.
but what type of games are wrpg and moba?

[abyssion1337]

wrpg is western role playing game, we need better terms for rpgs, 'rpg' is way too generic

MOBA is Multiplayer Online Battle Arena

[jinzo64]

okay.
but if rpg is to generic what should we call them?

[regnier]

there is so much kind of "rpg" @_@

[jinzo64]

i suppose there is
JRPG- Japenese role playing game
WRPG- Western role playing game
ARPG- Action role playing game
MMORPG- Massive multiplayer online role playing game

MMORPG Many men online role playing as girls.

[regnier]

anyway, i just hope i will have enough money for buying it because im moving away in may

[jinzo64]

i'm sure you.
but where are you moving to?

[regnier]

i need to found a new apartment for the may the first because my roommate decide to move away mid april.

[jinzo64]

i'm sure you'll find a new appartment and have enough money to buy diablo III.
but why did your roommate move?

[regnier]

we was suppose to move in July but she decide to move early are return living with her mother so now im the only one who need to find something and time is running out :( i just hope i will found something cheap enough because living alone is hard. if i cant have diablo 3 on the first day i wont die but it will suck

[jinzo64]

you could follow her plan and move back home for a while.
are you and your room mate planning to move back in to a new apparment together in july like origionaly planned?

[regnier]

i cant move with my family because they live far away in countryside and i say to my roommate we can move together somewhere else if she stop bringing guys at home, if you know what i mean and she say no

[jinzo64]

thats a pity about your family living so far away.
it's also a pity your flat mate won't go to the guys house instead of bringing them back to the apparment she shares with you.

but maybe she likes the idea of you being there if somthing goes wrong with the male friends she brings home.

[regnier]

i already fight with one guy she bring home because he was drunk and high and he start to beat her because she cheated with his best friend and the funny thing is that he was married and have 1 child... i hold him until the cops come and take him away

[abyssion1337]

i suppose there is
JRPG- Japenese role playing game
WRPG- Western role playing game
ARPG- Action role playing game
MMORPG- Massive multiplayer online role playing game

MMORPG Many men online role playing as girls.

those are all still very bad, we don't have great terminology. also I ****ing hate action RPG as a genre, RPG has never in the past excluded action. Also what does that make skyrim, WRPG or ARPG. Basically the terms we have are just bad and we need new ones.

[Haar]

those are all still very bad, we don't have great terminology. also I ****ing hate action RPG as a genre, RPG has never in the past excluded action. Also what does that make skyrim, WRPG or ARPG. Basically the terms we have are just bad and we need new ones.

How about real-time RPG to replace Action RPG and free-time RPG to replace turn-based. But then again, that sort of leaves out the conditional turned-based systems like in Final Fantasy X, so... do you have any better ideas?


And no, I still can't think of a really good term to replace RPG, since technically every game is an RPG in the sense that you play the role of a character.

[jinzo64]

i already fight with one guy she bring home because he was drunk and high and he start to beat her because she cheated with his best friend and the funny thing is that he was married and have 1 child... i hold him until the cops come and take him away
sounds like a bad state of affairs but with that maybe shes worried a simalar thing might happen again but it nice of her to put you in the middle of it.


[abyssion] those are all still very bad, we don't have great terminology. also I ****ing hate action RPG as a genre, RPG has never in the past excluded action. Also what does that make skyrim, WRPG or ARPG. Basically the terms we have are just bad and we need new ones.

I see what your saying but i'm not sure what the new terms would be.
maybe skyrim could be an WARPG going on current terms.

[abyssion1337]

How about real-time RPG to replace Action RPG and free-time RPG to replace turn-based. But then again, that sort of leaves out the conditional turned-based systems like in Final Fantasy X, so... do you have any better ideas?that would be a way to differentiate RPG's but it would still be a bad way. You're looking at surface gameplay elements, but you're still off. Let's take JRPG and WRPG which has the biggest difference between them and are the only ones that aren't named after gameplay elements. JRPG's tend to be based on characterization and narrative. WRPG's are based on fantasy and expression. It's not about the gameplay elements so much as it's about emotional response.

[Haar]

that would be a way to differentiate RPG's but it would still be a bad way. You're looking at surface gameplay elements, but you're still off. Let's take JRPG and WRPG which has the biggest difference between them and are the only ones that aren't named after gameplay elements. JRPG's tend to be based on characterization and narrative. WRPG's are based on fantasy and expression. It's not about the gameplay elements so much as it's about emotional response.

Isn't a lot of this potentially open to interpretation, due to different things giving people different emotional responses? Or am I still missing the point?

[jinzo64]

Isn't a lot of this potentially open to interpretation, due to different things giving people different emotional responses? Or am I still missing the point?

yes i think it is open to interpration as i would have called ocarina of time an action rpg and tales of symphonia a real time rpg.
and something like FF7 A turn based rpg.

[abyssion1337]

Isn't a lot of this potentially open to interpretation, due to different things giving people different emotional responses? Or am I still missing the point?

It's not that you missed it, it's that you didn't understand it. Your argument doesn't have anything to do with what I just said, WRPG's are more about expression and fantasy than freedom, it's reinforced in their mechanics. You don't call Fallout 3 a first person shooter even though you spend most the time shooting things in the first person, it's a WRPG through and through. The first person perspective allows you to better experience the way you chose to make your character, it's a way to reinforce expression. Obviously better tech has allowed WRPG's to tell better stories but it's clear where the focus is. JRPG's on the other hand have started to move in a bad direction, they're too focused on cinematics than actually reinforcing a good story with cinematics. For example though, consider the Persona series, instead of controlling the main character you are the main character so they're clearly able to borrow from WRPG's to make a good experience.


yes i think it is open to interpration as i would have called ocarina of time an action rpg and tales of symphonia a real time rpg.
and something like FF7 A turn based rpg.

No no no no no, you're still looking at surface gameplay elements. Expression is an emotional response, see my above text it's something you can reliably create, just like you can reliably create horror or drama

[jinzo64]

to be honest i thought fallout was basically a first person shooter with some rpg elements attached to it.
a bit like boarderlands is.

[abyssion1337]

to be honest i thought fallout was basically a first person shooter with some rpg elements attached to it.
a bit like boarderlands is.

Then you weren't giving it enough consideration as an experience, if you'd have though about it it would he been obvious. You're right about borderlands though, they're not trying to deliver on expression quite like a Wrpg would

[jinzo64]

i havn't played fallout 3 or new vegas i've only seen it been played and i havn't seen much of the rpg elements.
i did'nt get in to boarderlands i just didn't like the way it played.

to me from a pectature perpective they both look a lot like open field first person shootes with upgradable weapons and armour.

i know the view point is narrow minded but unless i acctualy play the games properly i can only go on what i've seen.

[abyssion1337]

It's easy to be completely wrong when your opinion is uninformed.

[jinzo64]

yes it is so i'm sorry about.

oh i noticed you edited one of your posts.
well this one i copied and pasted i'm not sure how to do the multi quotes in a single post.

Originally Posted by jinzo64 View Post
yes i think it is open to interpration as i would have called ocarina of time an action rpg and tales of symphonia a real time rpg.
and something like FF7 A turn based rpg.

Originally posted by abbysion1337
No no no no no, you're still looking at surface gameplay elements. Expression is an emotional response, see my above text it's something you can reliably create, just like you can reliably create horror or drama

but surely the surface gameplay elements have something to do with determining a games genre in the rpg spectrum.

[abyssion1337]

I wouldn't use surface gameplay elements, for many JRPG's they're not as important because of abnegation. Some games are made just for mechanics. The problem with RPG's is that surface gameplay elements aren't the point, they can be used to reinforce the actual point though. Also because I didn't address this before, Zelda isn't an RPG, it's an action/adventure game, the primary point isn't expression or storytelling it's exploration and discovery. So to answer your question, surface gameplay elements can be tied to genre and because the surface elements are often what players most directly experience tying them to reinforce whatever emotion you're trying to invoke is quite effective but because they aren't themselves the point of the game, they're not the reason you're playing it, using them to judge an RPG's genre is clumsy. That last statement is a bit disjointed but I think I got my point across.

[jinzo64]

erm i'll agree that using the surface gamplay elements to determine an rpgs genre is clumsy.
but to be honest i'm quite sure about the rest of what you are saying.

i edited my post.

[MADEVIL]

http://wowbsb.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/2_13.jpg

[jinzo64]

even though i doubt my laptop could play it.
the ultimate diablo 3 box set looks awsome and makes me want to buy it.

[MADEVIL]

MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

Windows® XP/Vista/7 (latest service packs) with DX 9.0c
Intel Pentium® D 2.8 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 4400+
NVIDIA® GeForce® 7800 GT or ATI Radeon™ X1950 Pro or better
1 GB RAM (XP), 1.5 GB (Vista/7)
12 GB available HD space
DVD-ROM (required for retail disc versions only)
Broadband* Internet connection
1024x748 minimum resolution

RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

Windows® Vista/7 (latest service packs)
Intel® Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 5600+ 2.8 GHz
2 GB RAM
NVIDIA® GeForce® 260 or ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 or better

[Guthix]

MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

Windows® XP/Vista/7 (latest service packs) with DX 9.0c
Intel Pentium® D 2.8 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 4400+
NVIDIA® GeForce® 7800 GT or ATI Radeon™ X1950 Pro or better
1 GB RAM (XP), 1.5 GB (Vista/7)
12 GB available HD space
DVD-ROM (required for retail disc versions only)
Broadband* Internet connection
1024x748 minimum resolution

RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

Windows® Vista/7 (latest service packs)
Intel® Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 5600+ 2.8 GHz
2 GB RAM
NVIDIA® GeForce® 260 or ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 or better

****!why does it require more hertz then skyrim?

[abyssion1337]

you can get away with less than the minimum number of hertz they want for most games.

[Guthix]

my lap can barely push oblivion and it wants 2gz

[MADEVIL]

Mind you Guts the min cpu's listed are pretty old so most new laptops have cpu's better than that. Video is whats mostly needed and thats were most have trouble.

[Guthix]

TT_TT days like these makes me angry when i dont understand what your saying

[MADEVIL]

well from what i remember your cpu is fast but the video chip in your laptop sucks, that is what is holding you back on playing a lot of games

[Guthix]

doesnt mean ill be able to play it, unless killing the graphics makes the requirements go bellow minimum

[jinzo64]

my laptops i bit outdated and couldn't realy handel oblivion on it's lowest settings.
but the collectors edition looks awsome.

[MADEVIL]

i was just saying to give you an idea guts.

[abyssion1337]

you can play anything you want

[Guthix]

actualy i was expecting lower requirements since diablo never had very flashy vissuals

[abyssion1337]

these requirements don't exactly push most systems, even non gaming ones.

[jinzo64]

you could do what they call over clocking but you run the risk of burning out the graphics card.

[MADEVIL]

laptop don't have many if any options to overclock like a desktop does

[Guthix]

i gotta ****y desk downstairs, if my memory serves right it actualy has the min requirements,the problem is its not mine yet i wanna shove an extra hardrive there

[jinzo64]

oh i see.
i wasn't sure.
i remember watching the gadget show and they built a tower with a cooling so they could over clock the graphics card without it burning out.
but it was so espenisve it would have been cheaper to buy a high end graphics card

[MADEVIL]

Guess all you can do is hope and wait guts. Well hardcore cooling is needed depending on how high you want to overclock, but most well built video card have a nice cooler on them that will handle some overclocking with out too much trouble

[darkzi]

me Im just bleh, I see a money trap in it. You have an market that makes money into gold and knowing blizzard they will most likely make really expensive epic gear which will make people break and use the market and also you require constant internet connection.....my friend lives in a dead zone so unlike he can play it now