[zanemalindeal]

Ok. Just watched the whole series again. How would you like to be Lucy's Parents? Their lack of love and all leading to Lucy hating humans and killing them because of that. So. Thoughts on that and the rest of the series?

[Scorchedenigma]

... at age three they develop their vectors along with a hatred for humans, parents have nothing to do with that. her circumstances didnt help but that much is natural. assuming that isnt how it works why would they care at that point? they didnt care before. i really dont get that question at all.
http://animearimasu.animeblogger.net/image/ConfessionPost/ConfessionPost2ElfenLied1.jpg
this whole part is probably the saddest thing ive really ever seen. nothings ever gotten to me like this scene did T_T

[Shuiia]

Well for starters I thought that the series was good. But I since then learned that there are even better series that truly **** with your head.
Anyway my thoughts on Diclonius homicidal tendencies, I realy believe that the hatred and cruelness of humans towards Diclonius is a fundamental factor in their rage. I mean look at Nana she is realy loving and seeks acception.

[LurkerSubmarine]

Lucy's mother loved her, while her father was the one who abandoned her while she was an infant.

[Trilobiteer]

Ok, well this thread is excellent timing for me because I just finished the series this morning and I think I'm gonna need another run through to fully understand it all. That said, my favourite character was Nana mostly due to the fact that hers was the only character I understood. I also have not seen the OVA.

On the topic of anger issues I'm going with Shuiia:
Lucy - Turned her vector on humans only after severe traumatisation.
Nana - Never turned her vector upon humans.
Mariko - Imprisoned her whole life by humans, it's natural she would turn against them.

After all, Lucy was much older than three when she first murdered and up until then had no knowledge of the vector nor how to control it. Had she been accepted into society and had her horns removed via surgery she could have potentially led a normal life.

[scarmullet]

This all goes back to Nature vs Nurture. If Lucy hadn't been ridiculed as a child, and then have her pet murdered in front of her, she wouldn't have been so evil...maybe. She was a good child before then, and could have been a perfectly normal adult. This goes with Mariko, but Mariko was too dangerous to even take a chance with.

[Kajimura]

ill have 2 watch it over again, first time i watched it i totaly spammed the whole thing in one day

[Kajimura]

Well for starters I thought that the series was good. But I since then learned that there are even better series that truly **** with your head.
Anyway my thoughts on Diclonius homicidal tendencies, I realy believe that the hatred and cruelness of humans towards Diclonius is a fundamental factor in their rage. I mean look at Nana she is realy loving and seeks acception.

can u name some, cus i realy need a good mind ****ing show right now (sry for the double post) this is from my phone nd im 2 lazy 2 copy and paste with this thing)

[zanemalindeal]

They do reference the age of 3 as when the vectors develop and the hatred, but i'm not sure that can really be given too much credence since Lucy is the original Diclonius. And as has been said none of the diclonius seen were evil until after some form of abuse.

And Lucy's mother didn't really care, at least not in a loving way. Lucy got sick and she was more upset that she had to miss something because of it. This, if you remember, was what caused Lucy to go off to where she found the dog other wise i believe the bullying would have broken her before Khota lied.

in all honesty Lucy really just acted like a normal child would have given her circumstances. She just had the power to kill, which prevented any one who wanted to help her from being able to. I mean even after she started killing at the festival an woman did show she cared, even despite the horns, but it was too late.

[Kajimura]

yeah the thing that rly set her off was seeing kohta with a girl cousin when he said it was a guy (btw is it legal to mary ur cousin in japan? not that im think about it, just curious)

[zanemalindeal]

I can't give a 100% yes, but i believe so, but any anime i've heard of involving cousins always has them as love interests

[scarmullet]

Thats weird, you never see Japanese playing Banjos, so how can there be cousin love. I think its the same as in the US, you cant marry first or second cousins. We don't know if Yuka and Kouta are cousins by blood, or by marriage, and we dont know if they are 1st or even 6th cousins.

[Scorchedenigma]

its still creepy =P

[zanemalindeal]

Lol. Can't really argue there, but come on. Yuka's reactions were a bit over board even if they're not related. She's in freaking College for crying out loud not kindergarten. lol.

[Kajimura]

Thats weird, you never see Japanese playing Banjos, so how can there be cousin love. I think its the same as in the US, you cant marry first or second cousins. We don't know if Yuka and Kouta are cousins by blood, or by marriage, and we dont know if they are 1st or even 6th cousins.

there r some places in the US where u can marry ur second cousin, idk bout first tho

[Shuiia]

can u name some, cus i realy need a good mind ****ing show right now (sry for the double post) this is from my phone nd im 2 lazy 2 copy and paste with this thing)

Well that'll be hard cuz I like anime a lot it just is a little too typical sometimes. I mean most of em deal with pre-set stuff like: take a douche, put him in between needy girls and let's see what happens. Or chicks with guns and that kinda bull. No, what I want are realy artistic and difficult stuff.
Now I have seen Ergo Proxy a while back and trust me as far as mind ****s go it totally skull****s Death Note. I thought it was waaaayyy better any damn way.
Also the media concerning Ghost in the Shell is also good stuff to get the old Gray matter working.
And of course Neon Genesis Evangelion(would recommend watching the movies btw cuz the original series is kinda crappy due to a limited budget :P).
Yeah FLCL is also kind of kewl if you look past all the standard Gainax emo shizz. Aaaand dazzziit basically :P.

Anyway continueing the Elfen Lied discussion(christ this gonna be a long post o.O).
Well keep in mind that the anime differs quite from the manga but I realy think that the combination of abuse, neglagence and personal trauma is causing the homicidal part of the diclonius. Same can be said for humans too. I mean how many serial killers and people who the media claims are "insane" aren't the result of abuse and social discrimination?

[zanemalindeal]

I think some people give too much credence to the inner Lucy we see during flash backs. That can just be attributed to split personality disorder due to extreme trauma and continued killing. So. Essentially i'd have to say the diclonius are just normal human beings with the exception of the horns and extra arms. They turn villian/ evil because the world is unwilling accept them and sees them as bad because of them being different. This leads to the mistreatment of them which leads to the diclonius killing people. Its like the Nazi and the Jews. The nazi were unwilling to see the Jews as human because they were different. Difference was the jews didn't have the power to fight back.

[Shuiia]

Its like the Nazi and the Jews. The nazi were unwilling to see the Jews as human because they were different. Difference was the jews didn't have the power to fight back.

;O_o
dude...careful what you say O_o

[Kajimura]

Well that'll be hard cuz I like anime a lot it just is a little too typical sometimes. I mean most of em deal with pre-set stuff like: take a douche, put him in between needy girls and let's see what happens. Or chicks with guns and that kinda bull. No, what I want are realy artistic and difficult stuff.
Now I have seen Ergo Proxy a while back and trust me as far as mind ****s go it totally skull****s Death Note. I thought it was waaaayyy better any damn way.
Also the media concerning Ghost in the Shell is also good stuff to get the old Gray matter working.
And of course Neon Genesis Evangelion(would recommend watching the movies btw cuz the original series is kinda crappy due to a limited budget :P).
Yeah FLCL is also kind of kewl if you look past all the standard Gainax emo shizz. Aaaand dazzziit basically :P.

k thx, ive seen FLCL and that show is just... acid trip. Im deffinatly gonna check into Ergo Proxy, and Evangelion is only 24 eps right? so i think ill watch that than the movies, im gonna have to get over shinji's voice tho. and the show thats mind ****ed me the most is Red Vs Blue, its not anime tho

[Shuiia]

Dude Red vs Blue XD
how the hell is that a mind **** XD

[Kajimura]

it got pretty interesting in Reconstruction and Revelation. Naoki Urasawa's Monster was good but not mind ****ing enough imo, great show tho

[jinzo64]

i liked this anime i should watch it agian sometime.
i think everyone should watch it

[zanemalindeal]

;O_o
dude...careful what you say O_o

Why? You a Nazi and gonna be offended?

[jinzo64]

yes yes i am hail itler.

i wish i had extra arms that are strechable and invislable.

[LurkerSubmarine]

her horns removed via surgery she could have potentially led a normal life.


Instead of re-watching the series to figure out what is going on, reading the manga explains quite a bit, such as going into more depth of which the OVA episode is based. If I remember correctly about the horns being taken off, they go into a coma or something, not 100% sure been quite a while since I read it.

[Trilobiteer]

Ah well. A hat then.

[Kajimura]

yes yes i am hail itler.

i wish i had extra arms that are strechable and invislable.

this isnt corrupt a wish ya know

[Shuiia]

yesssss well back to Elfen Lied. In response to an above post, yes if the dicloniuses horns are removed or destroyed they go into a coma, or at least a temporary one. Either way it is realy physically demanding for a diclonius to lose one or both their horns.

[jinzo64]

this isnt corrupt a wish ya know

i know that

but lucy had invisable,strechable arms.
I would just like a pair.

[N8theGr8]

This makes me wonder; do you think that the frequent nudity is in there as fanservice and titillation or do you think that it actually has a real purpose?

[Kajimura]

some of both mixed in with comic relief

[jinzo64]

nay it's all fan service.

[zanemalindeal]

Lol. I'd say it kinda plays a purpose seeing as the Chief's boss had only one thing on his mind. Trying to spread the Vector "virus" via sleeping with Lucy so in a way in has a slight purpose, but not like a major story line thing.

[N8theGr8]

The way I see it it's one of those subtle artistic messages. You never think that someone who's naked is dangerous, but here's this girl tearing apart trained soldiers while not wearing a stitch. Or maybe it's saying something about how her escape could be seen as a violent birth, the emergence of the childlike Nyu. Agh, stupid film class, it makes me sound like a complete prat.

[tanis_lionheart]

The manga was so much better...

[zanemalindeal]

Lol @ N8. Nah its good. Psychoanalyzing is fine.

@tanis. I keep hearing/ reading that. Guess i've no choice, but to read it now and try and find this OAV. Where can i read the manga online?

[tanis_lionheart]

Lol @ N8. Nah its good. Psychoanalyzing is fine.

@tanis. I keep hearing/ reading that. Guess i've no choice, but to read it now and try and find this OAV. Where can i read the manga online?
You could always read from one of my threads....
;)


O, wait, I never posted them here...you want some links to DL or would you rather read online?

[zanemalindeal]

As long as its free i don't really care either way. I suppose DL would be best in case i lose internet for whatever reason.

[e1fen1ied]

just read the manga

[zanemalindeal]

No money plus i don't believe any of my books stores sell it anymore

[Kajimura]

u can read it at mangavolume.com

[zanemalindeal]

K. I found Mangareader.net and they have it all, but thanks for giving me another site for manga. Tired of manga getting taken off diff sites just because it gets licensed

[Kajimura]

yeah, i was reading it at onemanga but that site got shot down

[LOLWTFBBQ]

onemanga was actualy one of the top 1000 sites visited in the world, and because of this is was constantly being cluster****ed by publishers and their licenses

[zanemalindeal]

Yeah. Pissed me off when they changed to just a straight up manga listing site as opposed to a manga readable.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

it was unfortunate they had to take down their sister-site, manga1000, as well

[zanemalindeal]

Yeah. Seriously. Why do these companies get so butt hurt? I mean hell these websites have it long before they do.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

dude, think about it, I would have bought several manga series if not for sites like this, its blatently stealing because you dont need to buy the manga when you can read it online, thats why, Im surprised we still have what we have.

[zanemalindeal]

Its not stealing if the original authors and artists approve of it, which they obviously don't disapprove of it or it would have all been gone years ago and since we're not always downloading it then it's just like going to a book store and sitting there and reading volume after volume.

[Kajimura]

yeah although i still do buy quite a few instead of reading them online, but answer me this, what about librarys, they hav manga, or at least mine do

[zanemalindeal]

The few i've seen in our library are in such bad condition and so sparse that even if they had the one's i'm looking for i could never read from start to finish. And, now any way, the manga i read are WAY ahead online from where the released volumes are here.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

actualy most authors dont even know that their manga is being essentualy pirated by these sites, but they probably dont mind because they know people are enjoying it on a massive scale, although unless they are on salary by those publishing companies, the lack of sales could hurt their cut of the sales.

in the end even if the authors dont care about the sites, they are bound by contract which probably means that the publishers have rights over sales and distribution, so they make the call to file suit against sites like Onemanga

[zanemalindeal]

Idk if the Japanese publishers even get anything. Maybe from the manga, but i'm nearly 100% certain they don't from the DVDs because i've seen SOO many clearly fan subbed anime or watched dubs with the worst translation errors.

There have been a few manga that i matched to the exact fansub group even though they weren't given credit of course.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

how does a publisher make the monies then?

[zanemalindeal]

Well. The US publishers take what they get put it on paper and put it in a store after Licensing it. They're probably supposed to pay the Japanese publishers, but they tend to find loop holes and i think the Japanese publishers let the fan groups go as a kind of giant finger to the US publishers. Could be wrong though

[Kajimura]

anyway, i thought the main antagonist was lame, although it was one of those shows that didnt need a good main antagonist

[zanemalindeal]

lol. Yeah. Don't know who'd really have the antagonist role. Not Kurama cause he actually kinda cared for the Diclonious and Lucy was kinda both the Protagonist and the Antagonist.

Any way. When the hell is the manga supposed to start explaining more than the series?

[LOLWTFBBQ]

hmm, well the antagonist opposes the protagonist, so you could almost say that Lucy was both.

the manga takes the series about twice as far, ending with Lucy's evil side being killed off even after shes dead herself, but its very confusing and doesnt completely relate to the anime, its just better to start from the beggining.

[zanemalindeal]

Ok. Just so far seems as if its the same as the series word for word even.

[tanis_lionheart]

Ok. Just so far seems as if its the same as the series word for word even.
It's more towards the middle and the ending is radically different.

[zanemalindeal]

ok

[John Tannius]

One of the things in Elfen Lied that seemed apparent to me was that the Diclonius weren't evil, or bad, or even trying to usurp humans. The scene where the little girl in the playground was happily playing then suddenly there was blood and bodies and a crying child. Normal human kids are unnecessarily cruel without truly understanding what they're doing is wrong. Pulling the wings off flies, pulling dogs or cats around by their tails... a child with vectors that can dismember people would do so not even understanding that you can't unkill someone.

Then there's Lucy herself, traumatic childhood on top of unstoppable powers equals bad day for many people. I saw absolutely no evidence that any of the hostilities towards humans was motivated by anything other than self-preservation. There was no genetically compelled destruction of mankind that I could see.

This is all just the observations of a single father of a 12 year old girl so make of it what you will.

[zanemalindeal]

Well in a way there was a genetically compelled destruction of mankind aim by someone. Just wasn't a diclonious Chief Kakuzawa and his son were both trying to spread the Diclonious genes so they could destroy mankind, but that's just one way of looking at it. I agree with the Diclonious not being uncontrollably evil. I think most people would end up like Lucy if they were treated the same way.




Edit: I suddenly see why you all prefer the manga. Just got to the part where Yuka asks him if he likes her.

[Kajimura]

hmm, well the antagonist opposes the protagonist, so you could almost say that Lucy was both.

the manga takes the series about twice as far, ending with Lucy's evil side being killed off even after shes dead herself, but its very confusing and doesnt completely relate to the anime, its just better to start from the beggining.

oh sure just ruin it for everyone, (i am someone who hates spioling any anime for myself) unless i dont rly give much of a **** about the series. anyway i thought the main antagonist was that gay dude with the horns

[zanemalindeal]

Which? He and his father both had them if you remember.

[Kajimura]

the father, i kinda thought it obvious since lucy just spliced the sons head off but whatever

[zanemalindeal]

Ok. Just wanted to be sure cause neither is seen all that much. Still reading the manga btw.

[jinzo64]

thats true.
they don't appear all that much.

[zanemalindeal]

Gave up on the manga. I tried 3 different sites and all the chapters after like 41 are all Fed up and out of order and stuff.

[Shuiia]

Sucks dude :P

[jinzo64]

i havn't read the manga but i watched the anime which was good.

[e1fen1ied]

manga was the best first 60 or so chapter were pretty close and the rest on the manga left of were the show ended

the manga went so much further that they need a 2nd series of Elfen Lied

[jinzo64]

i didn't know elfen lied had a second series.

[zanemalindeal]

manga was the best first 60 or so chapter were pretty close and the rest on the manga left of were the show ended

the manga went so much further that they need a 2nd series of Elfen Lied

So if i skipped to chapter 60 i wouldn't be missing anything then?

@Jinzo: No there was never a Season or Series 2 hence the manga continuing from the end at only chapter 60.

[jinzo64]

oh i read it wrong i thought it said needed a 2nd series of elfen lied.
would be nice.
bit like a third season of school rumble would be nice

[LOLWTFBBQ]

it would also be nice if they kept up the work on Hellsing Ultimate, but I dont see that happening

[jinzo64]

more luckystar not happening is it.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

better put some fanboy tags around that post of yours. XD

but I think I would like more of the Lucky Channel at least

[jinzo64]

i think i should go and watch it again.
it's realy good and everyone should watch it.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

too popular for my tastes, and the genre is... less than appealing

[jinzo64]

i never knew somthing could be to popular for someones tastes.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

thats me, gotta stay away from the fanboy crowd

[jinzo64]

erm the fanboy crowd.
so what falls in that catergory

[LOLWTFBBQ]

those who think that something is best despite how much it really isnt. people who are biased toward something no matter what.

[jinzo64]

oh a bit like me with ocarina of time
or the way i am with luckystar and azumanga

[LOLWTFBBQ]

or the way I am with Crysis and RuneScape