Why does animemusicvideos.org suck? [Archive]

Ranma

11-03-2010, 01:35 PM

i do go there... but i'm not as "active" as i should be in the forums.... when i release a new video i like to visit every day to find new comments and such... but even if i consider my video good.. but not alot of people comment in the forums or on the videos themselves.... plus i just find it kinda dead in forums as it is

and the main reason i don't add "every" video i've done - is the ones i consider myself to not exactly be "as good as it could be" due to either conversion problems/quality issues, or trying to get it out by a certain date or something..... but unless the video is "REALLY GOOD" then don't expect any decent feedback to those that do watch your videos.. instead of just "constructive criticism" the "pros" find anyway possible to bash your videos which to me - kinda turns me away from them....

or in the opinion forum.... usually the "free opinion" people are alittle more lenient... but the 1:1 people.... i've reviewd a few - that were kinda cool... but didn't really understand the video....but i didn' bash the video for not really understanding it and still rate it fairly decent....just to have that turn on me and get completely destroyed. which also turns me away from that section of the forum....

now... i know that sites not made to be where you go for comments and views (being more what You Tube is for)....but i do like to see what the "pros" think about them... even though i been editing for almost 2 years...i still am very new.... and know very little about effects and stuff....and don't think many videos need them to be good... though maybe cool...shouldn't be shot down for not using them XD..

Being they said the main point of the site of the site is to try and catalogue all AMV's made, in one place. they seem to have pulled away from that and just seemed to be more focused on judging them, rather then happy that somebody new has joined the community and help you out with getting better.. at least not in very convincing ways XD

anyways - that's just a few of my concerns - but again - its not as active in the forums as it prob should be which i think also hurts the site

Doomimus

11-03-2010, 02:21 PM

Why can't I respond to the comments made on my videos?

Evileel

11-03-2010, 03:07 PM

Well I go there. Often download AMVs, lurk in the forums a bit. Although as non-AMV creator I dont have much to do there.

animemental1

11-03-2010, 03:20 PM

I only use it to download AMVs & check the Contest Calendar.

Jazean

11-03-2010, 03:31 PM

It's not that it's bad, it's just that in my mind I see it as a sort of library of AMVs and as such I quietly look for what I want and then leave.

vanetz

11-03-2010, 07:51 PM

Zarxrax

11-03-2010, 07:56 PM

Does it suck now? I haven't been there since 2007, and I just logged in and it seems like it's the same as it was. Except now I can't find where my received opinions are and the sidebar menu makes even less sense than before.

In 2005, it was getting around 300 new videos per month. Now, its getting about 30 a month. There has been a huge decrease in traffic, and we are trying to figure out how to turn it around.

XelaisPWN

11-03-2010, 08:42 PM

I only use it to download AMVs & check the Contest Calendar.

This, and I'm always embarrassed to use forums when I've had an account for 4 years and have only made 2 posts. :sweatdrop:

DXM

11-03-2010, 08:58 PM

Doomimus

11-03-2010, 10:27 PM

Perhaps animemusicvideos.org should emulate YouTube's interface a bit more in terms of user-friendliness. 'Cause, hey, I like the whole "responding to comments" thing, and the "Related Videos" thing, and the "being able to actually see comments" thing.

Not to worry, though. It does have its strong points. Like the "Opinions" option. I like the opportunity to give and receive thorough, constructive critiques.

animemental1

11-03-2010, 11:21 PM

This, and I'm always embarrassed to use forums when I've had an account for 4 years and have only made 2 posts. :sweatdrop:

Same here. Although I've only had my account for 4 or 5 months. I also find it a good place to pick up tips on how to make awesome AMVs.

simple:

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv291/Spalldy/t_6653.jpg:bzz::party:

YES. YES. YES. SEND OUT INVITATIONS NOW. YES.

sed101

07-20-2011, 04:50 PM

I went there once cause my half brother showed me AMV HELL 3 then he show me this web site so this is the easyist way to watch AMV HELL and MINIS.

NLAlchemist

07-20-2011, 05:28 PM

I dont think it sucks i go there and DL or watch vids and read the how-to's i think it's great it's where i tell ppl to go and i also tell them about this site i love it keep up the good work!!!!!!

LawRayLiet

07-20-2011, 05:29 PM

I think right now it's pretty much caught in the loop of, people don't go there often because people don't go there often.

I think they need make things a bit easier.
I imagine the need to upload AMVs via FTP deters a lot of people.
People think, "Why not just upload it to youtube where it's easier to upload and I'll get more feedback, views, subsribers, etc"
What Doomimus said is also correct though.
Even adding a video and comment system like the one we have here would be an improvent from what they have now.
I don't even know if they have an off-topic area, if they do I haven't seen it.
Adding a better off-topic area will attract more people, leading to more ratings, comments and most importantly a better incentive for people to upload there.
AMV.org doesn't seem like a place for the casuall not so great AMV creator.
Or at least that's the air it seems give off. IMO

I visit there every now and then but not for very long.
There seems to be very little to do there.

EvilestDeath

07-31-2011, 01:59 AM

In 2005, it was getting around 300 new videos per month. Now, its getting about 30 a month. There has been a huge decrease in traffic, and we are trying to figure out how to turn it around.

It became too popular too quickly. People like to know each other and feel like they are connected. I am sure this site gets more traffic now then amv.org has because everyone is communicative and there are not a hundred things going on at once. (Well same there but it seems that way because of how crouded it became quickly)

Thats why I stick to this site anyways. Started my own for one project but that family is just a close part of the family I joined here.

LOLWTFBBQ

07-31-2011, 08:04 AM

the interface is horrible, its far from noob-friendly (in other words, its not like I could just go there and know whats going on, I would have to really get into it all to orientate myself, which drives away the newbies from the site) and simply getting to actually watch the videos demands too many hurdles to jump through.

it needs to be sleek, obvious, and fast

sleek so I can see what I want (the best AMVs that editing can make)

obvious so I dont have to try to figure out whats going on

and fast, so I can watch the sweet vids immediately!

Antonio Black

08-01-2011, 06:31 AM

This may sound like a dumb idea.
Why don't you combine the websites...wait...does the Internet even work like that?

Okay, um...make things more streamlined and easier to access.

Let us stream videos to here from there.

Make going there more worthwhile. Find a way to incorporate into the goings on here. For lack of better words:

Don't let AMV Hell.com become the popular spin-off that overshadows the original show (Animemusicvideos.org).

WhiteSparrow

08-01-2011, 11:25 AM

animemusicvideos.org is up against YouTube.

That's the problem here.

EvilestDeath

08-01-2011, 03:35 PM

animemusicvideos.org is up against YouTube.

BAM! Annnnnd we have an answer.

UTF

08-01-2011, 06:01 PM

Don't much care for the lethargic atmosphere to anyone who isn't in the top 10% of editors.

The selection is a lot more robust than youtube, but I still only download things I'm interested in. I guess my taste is too specific.

Youtube has the advantage of just having to click a link and watching a video right away. The org is a bit more complicated, and thus it takes longer to do the same thing.

If Youtube wasn't such a bitch with copyright BS, there wouldn't even be a contest.

LOLWTFBBQ

08-01-2011, 07:33 PM

youtube isnt a bitch, people are

NodMan

08-02-2011, 08:45 AM

http://www.mmmdonuts.com/motivational/images/2010030416111515_html-tits-demotivational-poster.jpg

But no seriously I agree with two things posted here. They haven't changed much since 2006 with their overall layout and website design. Also YouTube regardless of it full of motarded trolls has taken arrot of the people away.

Neomalysys

08-02-2011, 09:02 AM

I only used amv.org to download vids I've never had the time or money to make any of my own. The one thing I hate is that your forced to review vids before you can download more if you don't donate to the site. I currently don't have a lot of space on my harddrive so I haven't been back to amv.org to get new vids.

humnut

08-02-2011, 09:47 AM

Personally, I think the entire comments section needs to be overhauled, it's nice for the editors to get the amount of information that is available, however I find that most people on the internet like to have a more streamlined version of it, for example (and I know, a few people have said this) youtube's commenting is quick and easy. amv.orgs seems to be more complicated, hell sometimes I've just wanted to say the video was good like "good job" or so on, but I didn't want to go through the process of actually posting a comment and just left an opinion. And it seems that comments are more 'valued' over opinions.

Also, I've never liked the uploading process, but I'm sure there's a reason for it. It's a lot easier on youtube, being directly uploaded on the site, rate then amv.org's ftp system. I haven't uploaded anything for a while, but I'm sure it hasn't changed a bit.

And those are the only two things I can really think of. I've never been to the forums and I don't really check my account that much. I wouldn't say it sucks, but it is a little complicated for something as simple as watching, rating and downloading amv's. I'll say one thing for it, I loved when the feature was added for viewing the video before downloading it. That was a step in the right direction. Also, before I forget, The community needs to be a little more supportive, that's all, and there's nothing anybody can do about that XD.

UTF

08-21-2011, 04:28 PM

2011-08-21 09:56:40 Dude how about trying to edit next time?

I don't know what I do, or did, but this is pretty much the attitude I run into every time I post a video there.

No constructive criticism, just backhanded, mean spirited comments, if I get comments at all.

Sir Fluffykins

08-21-2011, 06:01 PM

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I have to register to watch amvs there, when I could just search on Youtube.

I knew of animemusicvideos before amvhell.com, but never registered there (or got to actually watch anything) and went through hell trying to register here due to my "IP being that of a spammer" or something. XD.

Even though this site is in the form of a forum, I find it more friendly then AMV's one

RBRat3

08-24-2011, 02:54 AM

I dont go there simply because of bad site design and using youtube/Direct Downloads as a medium for posting videos, Using youtube steers away your userbase "Why go to your site when its all on youtube" See? And direct downloads from a file share service is a pain in the ass just to watch it once.

Setup some ad's and donations for income on a server or more bandwidth then flop out a media server and run a youtube clone on a decent host.. Hell I even thought about doing it, only thing stopping me is content and bandwidth. Psh XD I even though about cloning this site with better features and a solid system even the forum software here is a tad out of date but im not gonna place blame cause it just works, Current version as of this date is 4.1.2

Although I have one request is if the forum software supports COPPA enable it and edit the PHP or check the settings and set it to 18 Years old on a category so that we can have our dirty threads and keep the youngins out *wink, That way your within the confines of the law and set no permissions on bots & guests so it cant be easily found and no access to non registered users.

LawRayLiet

08-24-2011, 05:30 AM

Setup some ad's and donations for income on a server or more bandwidth then flop out a media server and run a youtube clone on a decent host..

Since "Bill S.978" was passed, they wouldn't be able to place ads on there site even if they wanted to. And they already have donation incentives set up.

I don't know about an exact YouTube clone, but I do agree about making a more user friendly interface and a better design.

MADEVIL

08-24-2011, 08:16 AM

I agree that it needs to be more friendly and I do use the site because I like to down load amv's that I enjoy, and I do think to many users upload to youtube because its easy for everyone to view, but there's to much junk on youtube

Zuiichi

08-24-2011, 07:43 PM

I tied registering and they gave me one of those impossible captchas with a pi symbol and the infinty sign and i was like o.O hell no

EvilestDeath

08-24-2011, 09:21 PM

I tied registering and they gave me one of those impossible captchas with a pi symbol and the infinty sign and i was like o.O hell no

I have been getting some of those weird ones all over the place. Do people even check these things anymore or do they just put some pictures together and say "yup that'll mind **** em"?

RBRat3

08-24-2011, 09:31 PM

I don't know about an exact YouTube clone, but I do agree about making a more user friendly interface and a better design.

Youtube clones are just software that does the same thing as Youtube but not copyrighted code... Want an example ... youporn.com, Spankwire.com etc... XD

They can have ad's as long as its not a part of the site thats showing the purposed content... A crude example is that the blog I run on my sandbox server is the main domain while the forum is sub from it. This is the reason I was able to keep google adsense is because my blog is what adsense sees and theres no nudity while the forum is semi loaded with it and violates terms, Dunno how long till they catch on but its been like that way for a long time.

I have been getting some of those weird ones all over the place. Do people even check these things anymore or do they just put some pictures together and say "yup that'll mind **** em"?

Actually no person puts the images together their generated on the fly by the server when a request has been made like a user looking at registration page.

Haar

05-19-2012, 06:06 AM

I have no real problems with the site's interface. In fact, I somewhat prefer some of it's design choices over that of Youtube's. Now, my real problem with that site is the community. Sure, there are a good amount of nice and supportive people, but there also seems to be a fair amount of incredibly narcissistic members. That is to say, plenty of them are very rude to inexperienced members for what appears to be no reason at times.

While I can understand scolding people for defying the rules to a certain extent, the behavior of some of the site's regulars under these conditions is quite outrageous. They will begin to insult the intelligence of the members for not following the rules rather than calmly explaining the issue with whatever the offender in question said or did. It's usually a case of making a mountain out of a molehill.

Another big issue of this site is it's take on criticism. While I believe that constructive criticism is necessary for an editor to really improve their skills, these people seem to take it to an extreme and think that the banner of "constructive criticism" allows them to say any sort of harsh thing to budding editors. And yes, while I think that some new editors are a bit too sensitive, I also think that some people's hypercritical phrasings of things are a bit uncalled for during the aforementioned critiquing. Simply put, some of these people can't seem to give advice without making the editor in question look and/or sound like an idiot. While AMV Hell's form of criticism isn't perfect, I still think that our members are a bit more rational when it comes to giving opinions on videos than a few of these guys.

Of course, I'm perfectly aware that you can't really make people change the way they act and I'm probably just wasting my time typing this, I do consider some of these things quite bothersome when I'm browsing AnimeMusicVideos.org. I appreciate the fact that the site has higher standards than Youtube, but I don't think it warrants some of them behaving in such an uncouth manner.

And if you folks are too lazy to read all of that, I can sum up my opinion of that's site's issues with this picture for you:
http://i.imgur.com/haN6T.jpg

Shadow66

05-19-2012, 06:47 AM

Instead of asking how to make AMV.org better we should be asking how to make THIS site better than it already is? My suggestion is being able to upload AMV's on this site instead through YouTube so creators won't have to deal with the copyright bull**** that gets their videos banned.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 07:24 AM

We had a video upload spot, but we lost it in the hack. There is still a chance that it might come back but any videos that were upload before will have to be reloaded

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 08:30 AM

Theres always vimeo but it doesn't realy see the traffic that youtube does and it has less features.
But it would be nice to see the video uploader back on amvhell.

Guthix

05-19-2012, 09:17 AM

also the chatbox upgrade would be nice , i mean it feels like it was designed to piss me off.

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 09:21 AM

Why does the chat box piss you off?
I don't personally have problem with it.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 09:24 AM

going off topic

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 09:27 AM

Yes.
Sorry about that.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 09:28 AM

wasn't your fault

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 09:30 AM

Does anyone here acctually use animemusicvideo.org?

Thanks mad.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 09:33 AM

a lot still do, but the main problem that most complain about is not being able to view videos on the site and the search engine on it.

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 09:35 AM

so it's not a video streaming site then?

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 09:38 AM

no, just a large community of full length amv creators. there is info on the creators and links to download or to view the videos in other sites. there is also a large form for the site too. i take it you never been on the site

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 09:42 AM

No I havn't as I thought it was bassically a version of youtube but dedicated to anime videos.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 09:48 AM

ahh, well if you enjoy amv's you might want to check the site out. youtube is easy to use but the problem with using youtube is that its for everything and good videos get buried under a ton on random **** videos. making amv.org better for the creators would be nice to keep them there and making it friendly to use would help the user base. now whats funny is there is an amv.org app for android and ios that let you search and stream videos to your phone that was made by an member, i've played with it on my phone and it seems to work well

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 09:53 AM

Do you use it?

oh I've been there but you have to download the videos to watch them that why I wasn't interested.
It was a while ago but I remember going there.
i think it would be better if it was a video streaming site.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 09:59 AM

i use the site and the app, but the site would be better mainly if it was streaming the videos

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 10:00 AM

But then if it was streaming videos it could suffer the same problems as youtube does.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 10:04 AM

it would only suffer if there was a crack down on it for copywrites

jinzo64

05-19-2012, 10:05 AM

I guess that true.
But vimeo doesn't seem to suffer which is nice.

MADEVIL

05-19-2012, 10:09 AM

it doesn't so far because its small, but in some form it would be nice to see some kind of upgrade to amv.org to help it live and stay strong

Haar

05-19-2012, 02:10 PM

You know, you can stream videos from AMV.org now. Through the use of the preview button, that is.

Also: LOL, look how far off we got from my original post!

Shadow66

05-19-2012, 04:42 PM

I don't like the idea of people downloading our AMV's, it gives me the paranoid feeling that if they download AMV's they will enter it in contests and claim it as their own.

Haar

05-19-2012, 04:45 PM

I don't like the idea of people downloading our AMV's, it gives me the paranoid feeling that if they download AMV's they will enter it in contests and claim it as their own.

You know people can download Youtube videos, right?

Anyway, I have no problem with people downloading videos. I'm not that paranoid.

LawRayLiet

05-19-2012, 06:22 PM

Harr is correct about the video streaming on amv.org.

And on the other note, AMV Hell never had a video upload section.
It only had an area where you could link a video that you had uploaded on YouTube, with your account here.
It was essentially a video embed gallery with it's own comment and rating system.

We'll likely never see the ability to upload videos here, as video streaming/hosting can get quite expensive.