SleeplessPanda
11-05-2010, 09:00 AM
Left president, right house, and the senate leaning left. Almost a government in perfect balance. Any predictions on how this will effect the next two years here in the States? Personally, judging by what I've heard from Republicans, it seems like they're going to hunker down and try to block most of Obama's agenda until 2012. If that happens, I wonder if that'll hurt or help the economy.
Rotkeps Aniger
11-05-2010, 12:51 PM
Let's mail a DVD of AMV Hell 5 to every member of Congress and see if that has a positive result for the Nation!
animemental1
11-05-2010, 04:09 PM
*facepalm*
Left president, right house, and the senate leaning left. Almost a government in perfect balance. Any predictions on how this will effect the next two years here in the States? Personally, judging by what I've heard from Republicans, it seems like they're going to hunker down and try to block most of Obama's agenda until 2012. If that happens, I wonder if that'll hurt or help the economy.
Thank God. we don't need a tax hikes.
AKALink
11-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Thank God. we don't need a tax hikes.
Nor increased Government Spending.
wafflegear
11-05-2010, 06:00 PM
@Dmx: tax hikes for the rich dude. pay attention to the specifics because it's a big difference. billionaires can afford a tax hike when they've spent the last 30 years pushing their agenda of butt ****ing the poor with out so much as a reacharound.
Take a look at the national budget once people we spend more on weapons of death than we ever will on any of the other programs combined. For some reason that's just peachy even thought a spending cut in that area is the quickest way to fix the deficit. The silver lining is you're not a poor person in a foreign country right now. your less likely to get bombed.
Rotkeps Aniger
11-05-2010, 06:39 PM
Nah, still sticking to the send every member of Congress an AMV Hell 5 DVD. According to the People vs. Larry Flynt movie, every member gets a free subscription to Hustler!
HalOfBorg
11-05-2010, 06:59 PM
If you keep taxing more and more, people and companies react to protect themselves. Stop earning, hide it better, earn it where it's cheaper.............
election-wise though, some politicians got elected, some didn't. Some are in, some are out.
The problem is they are all POLITICIANS. They'll all do pretty much the same damn thing, do it badly and blame the other guy.
If you keep taxing more and more, people and companies react to protect themselves. Stop earning, hide it better, earn it where it's cheaper.............
election-wise though, some politicians got elected, some didn't. Some are in, some are out.
The problem is they are all POLITICIANS. They'll all do pretty much the same damn thing, do it badly and blame the other guy.
well said. Also they will pass the taxes onto the consumer.
That is why we need to keep their feet to fire. Because, when 70% of your Bosses tell you not to do something. You don't do it, unless you want to fired.
If it's business as usually, I wouldn't be surprised that with in our lifetime we'll see the Dem's and the Republicans joining the Whigs and
Backmask
11-05-2010, 10:36 PM
America is ****ed.
AKALink
11-05-2010, 11:00 PM
America's been ****ed.
Fixed your post for ya.
America is ****ed.
No. we're not. consider Nov 2 as the kick to the groin that saved Lady Liberty from would be rape of by liberal lechers.
scarmullet
11-06-2010, 05:18 AM
The republicans are not going to fix the economic crisis, they are inverted robin hoods so to speak. The main reason why the economy is in such bad shape is because of outsourcing. This has caused increased spending from the government due to more people on unemployment and welfare due to inability to find work. (I live in Michigan, where the unemployment is nearing 20%). Outsourcing is why the bush tax cuts failed.
I have said this before, if we can give a tax break to companies whose workforce is say 75% American, we can help the economic crisis by employing people. This will also lower the cost of the final product, and the over all quality of the product. (remember many recalls before they started to outsource?).
Of course we can cut spending efficiently by pulling American troops out of foreign nations. We have no reason to keep troops in Japan, Germany, Spain, Australia, etc. We are not a world police, we are not responsible for that. If we bring the troops home, we can save BILLIONS of dollars per year. This would lower the deficit and decrease spending.
But yea, Obama is going to go down as one of the worst presidents because of the Republicans at this time unable to compromise and they filibusterer Everything he brings to the table. Acting like a child going "The base is the tree or I'm not playing".
daikaisho vanguard
11-06-2010, 09:28 AM
What I hear here in Europe is that the moderate republicans will have to cooperate. If they lock down all politics, the economy will go from improving too slowly to declining again and the republicans will land a good deal of the public blame.
Rather than tax cuts to companies with large domestic employment, I think it would be good for the economy to give the cuts to businesses where the owner(s) are personally economically responsible. Those are most often smaller locally based businesses that even the top people invest their life in, not just a few years before jumping to another board position. If that kind of businesses are strengthened, it would also help mitigate the effects of the next crash of the economy, because there would be a stronger undergrowth to catch things when the large corporations shakes. On long terms it might even be possible to let the weakest giants fall.
SleeplessPanda
11-06-2010, 09:53 AM
What I hear here in Europe is that the moderate republicans will have to cooperate. If they lock down all politics, the economy will go from improving too slowly to declining again and the republicans will land a good deal of the public blame.
Rather than tax cuts to companies with large domestic employment, I think it would be good for the economy to give the cuts to businesses where the owner(s) are personally economically responsible. Those are most often smaller locally based businesses that even the top people invest their life in, not just a few years before jumping to another board position. If that kind of businesses are strengthened, it would also help mitigate the effects of the next crash of the economy, because there would be a stronger undergrowth to catch things when the large corporations shakes. On long terms it might even be possible to let the weakest giants fall.
At this point in time you can't really blame the Republicans for not wanting to work with Obama, since the force that elected them basically said "He's gone too far, knock em' down a notch!". If they manage to get him to go back on some of his more extreme policies, then that'd put them in a better position to compromise on other things without looking like they're bending over for him. Also . . I don't know what you're hearing in Europe, but Obama hasn't really been improving our economy. The amount of debt he's created in the short amount of time he's been president is insane, big businesses are scared to death of him, small businesses don't much care for him either, and the majority of U.S. citizens don't approve of the way he's been ignoring them when they say "We don't want what you're sellin'!".
He's got it in his head that he knows what's best for us and that everything he's doing will help us in the long run, but when the policies he's making have failed in so many other countries, how he thinks he can make them work here is beyond me. Big fat giant ego.
jinzo64
11-06-2010, 02:45 PM
were all doomed.
the economic cliamate will continue to get worse.
the recestion will efect the effect the poor more than it'll effect the rich.
Rotkeps Aniger
11-06-2010, 03:40 PM
What's really needed is a complete revolution and a restructure of government straight down to the local level.
That will never happen, so I'll keep going my merry way, under the radar.
were all doomed.
the economic cliamate will continue to get worse.
the recestion will efect the effect the poor more than it'll effect the rich.
It will if this kianisan spending continues. The dollar may lose 20% of it's value in the next two years thanks to all the money the fed is printing.
Obama in two years has spent just as much as Bush did in eight.
and the tax cuts had more in for the middle class and small business then the rich, the marriage tax was cut the child credit was increased the inheritance tax was eliminated capitol gains tax was reduced and deviances were no longer doubled taxed.
and in less the two months all that will be gone and bussinses are shoring up incase the congress dosn't extend it
and not to mention there is no consumer confedance to speak of.
jinzo64
11-06-2010, 10:24 PM
i don't live in america so i'm not sure how moch republicans winning the house effects me.
but i personaly thought the rent is to damn high party was a pretty cool party.
on the money thing they say every country owes money but to who?
scarmullet
11-06-2010, 11:01 PM
It will if this kianisan spending continues. The dollar may lose 20% of it's value in the next two years thanks to all the money the fed is printing.
Obama in two years has spent just as much as Bush did in eight.
and the tax cuts had more in for the middle class and small business then the rich, the marriage tax was cut the child credit was increased the inheritance tax was eliminated capitol gains tax was reduced and deviances were no longer doubled taxed.
and in less the two months all that will be gone and bussinses are shoring up incase the congress dosn't extend it
and not to mention there is no consumer confedance to speak of.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9529/1280270758827.gif
jinzo64
11-06-2010, 11:03 PM
i like the way say only spent 1.14 trillion in 18 months.
SleeplessPanda
11-07-2010, 12:18 AM
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9529/1280270758827.gif
I'm not going to discuss the presidents before W. since I don't know enough about them to make any educated comments, but to comment on why George W. Bush's spending levels are so high, I think that would be obvious. War-costs-money. After 9/11 W. spent a lot of time and resources fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and also investing in national security within our borders. Was it worth it? Well we never again had a major terrorist attack in this country, so I guess whatever he did, it worked. I also like how the chart conveniently leaves out Obama's spending levels . . SUPER HIGH NEW RECORD! :D
Chewi105
11-07-2010, 12:26 AM
heres what i say
screw politics. i hate it. i dont give a crap who gets elected, as long as they'll actually do something
the republicans gained controlled of congress in 94 and implemented the spending cuts and actually balanced the budget to create the surplus in2000.
scarmullet
11-07-2010, 06:28 AM
the republicans gained controlled of congress in 94 and implemented the spending cuts and actually balanced the budget to create the surplus in2000.
That was a different breed of republican, a breed able to compromise and work with others. What he have now are a bunch of bat**** insane people in tri-corner hats screaming "Keep your government hands off my medicare". Children is what they are, they want all or nothing, and they cry when they don't get what they want.
they tried to impeach him. And it was Clinton that compermised to them.
scarmullet
11-07-2010, 10:04 AM
they tried to impeach him. And it was Clinton that compermised to them.
True, but atleast they were willing to work with him a bit. The Republicans now wont even work with Obama.
Now for the circumstances, I think Obama has done an OK job. He stepped into a ****hole, and with opposition in congress (mainly because of faux news fear mongering and demonizing of him not to mention lies like Obama was born in Kenya [I find it funny that these people 5 years ago said if you talk bad about the president, you are anti-American.]), he hasn't been able to do much, but he is trying.
The Bush tax cuts need to be removed, because they failed. They were done to spark economic growth, which they failed to do. With the tax cuts gone, the rich will be back paying 10% instead of 6%, the added money will help.
HalOfBorg
11-07-2010, 01:21 PM
The gov having MORE tax money doesn't help the economy, people having more of their money to SPEND - that IS the economy.
scarmullet
11-07-2010, 01:32 PM
The gov having MORE tax money doesn't help the economy, people having more of their money to SPEND - that IS the economy.
First we need to combat the national debt, and giving tax breaks to the group who is SUPPOSED to be making jobs but aren't because its cheaper to outsource wont work. We cant reward the rich for making the poor poorer, which is what we are doing now.
Besides, if the government has more money, they are going to spend it on different projects which in turn can create jobs.
HalOfBorg
11-07-2010, 01:38 PM
So stop taxing businesses to death. Make regulations easier/cheaper to follow. Businesses don't pay taxes, fees or fines anyway - their customers do.
Make it economical to do business here, and they will.
As long as it makes financial sense to run things THERE - that's where they will go.
scarmullet
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
So stop taxing businesses to death. Make regulations easier/cheaper to follow. Businesses don't pay taxes, fees or fines anyway - their customers do.
Make it economical to do business here, and they will.
As long as it makes financial sense to run things THERE - that's where they will go.
We arent taxing businesses to death, in fact taxes for corperations are lower then they have ever been. Regulations are there for a reason. Businesses DO pay taxes as they are considered a completely different taxable entity by the fed.
The only way we can "make it economical" to do business here is if the quality of life goes down in the US enough where its workers are willing to work for less than $1 an hour.
The only reason why they run things there is because of greed. They didn't want to pay a guy $10 an hour when he could pay a chinese man $1 an hour to do the same job and get around safety precautions.
HalOfBorg
11-07-2010, 01:51 PM
"Greed" as such is the POINT of business. They aren't in it to make the bunnys happy or the sun shine a bit warmer - they're in it to make money.
And if you CANT get businesses back, then there's little point in giving the gov money to create jobs that won't be there.
And OF COURSE businesses DON'T pay taxes. You raise their taxes 3%, and they raise costs about 1.2%, cut salaries about 0.8%, and ship 2% of jobs overseas - then they are ahead by 1%.
scarmullet
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Why don't we use the tax system used by FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower? From 1944-1963 taxes for the wealthy hung around 80-90%, and guess what. Nobody was discouraged from gaining wealth.
HalOfBorg
11-07-2010, 02:10 PM
When you find someone who'd be happy giving the gov 90% of their paycheck, hang on to them because you found a sucker. Start selling him bridges.
Me, I'd rather keep most of what I earn, spend it as I like.
scarmullet
11-07-2010, 02:14 PM
Well it was during that time that the US was most prosperous, especially in the last century. You saying there isn't a connection?
HalOfBorg
11-07-2010, 02:57 PM
No - I imagine there was rampant tax evasion.
tanis_lionheart
11-07-2010, 03:42 PM
You guys are getting what you deserve....should have vote for Ron Paul.
tanis_lionheart
11-07-2010, 03:44 PM
Well it was during that time that the US was most prosperous, especially in the last century. You saying there isn't a connection?
A world war could, with America making mad money off it of it...nothing to do with it, right?
You guys are getting what you deserve....should have vote for Ron Paul.
we got his son :D
Frankly, a Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani ticket would of been the best, since they actualy improved the economy of the Mass. And NYC.
A world war could, with America making mad money off it of it...nothing to do with it, right?
I think it has to do with the post war when they cut rationing of materials, slashed spending.
Backmask
11-09-2010, 01:31 AM
This will not end well;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101106/pl_afp/canadanatodefensesummitusiranchina
tanis_lionheart
11-09-2010, 02:12 AM
we got his son :D
Frankly, a Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani ticket would of been the best, since they actualy improved the economy of the Mass. And NYC.
Yes, a guy who believes in MAGICAL UNDERWEAR and some asshole who tried taking more credit than he deserved for NYC - post 9/11.
No thanks.
I know that sounds mean, but I'd like to at least partly trust the president.
A Ron Paul and 'someone who was not Sarah Palin' would have been good, I think.
tanis_lionheart
11-09-2010, 02:13 AM
This will not end well;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101106/pl_afp/canadanatodefensesummitusiranchina
Yahoo 404?
Backmask
11-09-2010, 02:56 AM
The link is working fine for me, but if it doesn't work try this;
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/another-u-s-war-obama-threatens-china-and-iran/
XelaisPWN
11-09-2010, 03:08 AM
you guys are getting what you deserve....should have vote for ron paul.
this. This sixteen times.
XelaisPWN
11-09-2010, 03:10 AM
The link is working fine for me, but if it doesn't work try this;
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/another-u-s-war-obama-threatens-china-and-iran/
Wouldn't this totally destroy our economy? Look how much **** is made in china, they have such an abundant source of cheap labor that if our relations soured, we may not be in for such a fun ride.
scarmullet
11-09-2010, 03:21 AM
Anyone here know Chinese?
Backmask
11-09-2010, 03:27 AM
USA might cause Fallout 3 to become our future. How should I feel about this?
scarmullet
11-09-2010, 04:09 AM
USA might cause Fallout 3 to become our future. How should I feel about this?
start collecting bobble heads and fix your pipboy.
tanis_lionheart
11-09-2010, 09:44 AM
The link is working fine for me, but if it doesn't work try this;
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/another-u-s-war-obama-threatens-china-and-iran/
Ahh, yeah...read that.
It's all posturing, nothing more.
SleeplessPanda
11-09-2010, 02:43 PM
start collecting bobble heads and fix your pipboy.
Pffft', more like start collecting Coca Cola bottle caps and stimpaks.
HalOfBorg
11-09-2010, 02:50 PM
OK - I'm out. I'm tired of arguing here, tired of arguing with my son.
Let him and the other intellectuals run the ****ing country. Hell, let them have the whole damn world. I'm certain it will ALL go just as they plan.
I'm seriously considering quitting my job and moving into a shelter. Let others take care of me.
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