[SleeplessPanda]

I didn't mind when I noticed Zarx' sped up my Jellicle Pumas video a little in the latest AMV Minis, but he RUINED my Umineko video! Why? WHY?! D=

[LOLWTFBBQ]

length of original clip?

[EvilestDeath]

Because there is no respect for artists anymore. I give permission for my clips to be edited but there's no reason for that unless the creator says its ok.

[SleeplessPanda]

I mean seriously look at the original video: http://amvhell.com/video.php?do=viewdetails&videoid=771

And then look at the modified version used in the latest Minis episode. I've got a major headache now.

[EvilestDeath]

Happened to me in the first AMV Paradise video and it completely ruined my Firework joke for the anime Bobobo because half of the conversation leading up to the joke was cut.

That one I didn't give my permission to edit.

[EvilestDeath]

I mean seriously look at the original video: http://amvhell.com/video.php?do=viewdetails&videoid=771

And then look at the modified version used in the latest Minis episode. I've got a major headache now.

Wow, that was actually better then the Minis version. That's disgraceful and rude to an artist.

[SleeplessPanda]

It's just so depressing . . If one of my submissions is going to be just so . . radically changed like that where it's a shadow of what it was, I'd rather it not be used at all. I can take rejection, rejection is better than what happened. I think I've lost a lot of faith in the series today. =\

[LOLWTFBBQ]

they didn't even tell you they would have to make this change?

[SleeplessPanda]

they didn't even tell you they would have to make this change?

No, they didn't. They didn't tell me they were going to speed up my "Jellicle Pumas" video either, but that's not so bad as compared to what they did to my Umineko video. I don't mind when something's changed to IMPROVE upon it, sometimes it has to be done, but what purpose was there in doing . . THAT? It didn't save on time or anything. D=

[EvilestDeath]

The judges are not qualified enough and Zarxrax seems to just want things his way now so I guess the peons (us) who are putting the creative work into these clips don't matter much anymore.

[LawRayLiet]

I also thought your original was better.
There's hardly any movement in this version.

I can't think of a reason to use a still frame for more than half the video.

Although it's possible there was a frame rate issue when he rendered the video.
And perhaps he didn't want to remove your clip or delay the release of the video by trouble shooting the problem.

He usually ask to trim or edit the video if he believes it will be an improvement.
So until we hear from him, my guess is, it was a technical issue.

[EvilestDeath]

Doesn't excuse the fact that its wrong to edit someone elses art without permission.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

what is odd to me is why they would actualy go through the trouble of doing that editing in the video. its like they went out of their way to skrew you, which makes me think its just a tech accident

[SleeplessPanda]

I also thought your original was better.
There's hardly any movement in this version.

I can't think of a reason to use a still frame for more than half the video.

Although it's possible there was a frame rate issue when he rendered the video.
And perhaps he didn't want to remove your clip or delay the release of the video by trouble shooting the problem.

He usually ask to trim or edit the video if he believes it will be an improvement.
So until we hear from him, my guess is, it was a technical issue.

It's not like there was a deadline to meet, and I'm fairly sure Zarx' double checks everything in these videos to make sure there's no mistakes, since the series has always been about quality and such. *Sigh.* I need a drink, and a bubble bath, and a tylenol, and a bowl of strawberry ice cream. T.T

[EvilestDeath]

It's not like there was a deadline to meet, and I'm fairly sure Zarx' double checks everything in these videos to make sure there's no mistakes, since the series has always been about quality and such. *Sigh.* I need a drink, and a bubble bath, and a tylenol, and a bowl of strawberry ice cream. T.T

Quality my ass. This series (Minis season 2) is completely about what these three judges like and don't like. These people don't have an eye for quality. I know Zarxrax does and it was clear in Episode 3 but not episode 2. I don't know what to think of him now really.

AMV Hell 5 was more about quality, Season 1 minis was more about quality, Mecha hell was more about quality, AMV hell 0/0 was more about quality.

[LawRayLiet]

Doesn't excuse the fact that its wrong to edit someone elses art without permission.

First of all, if it was an issue that happened during the rendering or compression then he did not edit his video. It was just something that happened due to internal issues.


It's not like there was a deadline to meet, and I'm fairly sure Zarx' double checks everything in these videos to make sure there's no mistakes, since the series has always been about quality and such.

He wouldn't have know about the issue until he rendered all the clips together.
And removing your clip would mean he would have had to rearrange the video and audio a bit.
Render it to a loss-less avi.
Then compress it, which takes the most time if you use high quality settings.

It probably seemed to much of a hassle and maybe he thought it wasn't so bad the way it turned out.

Do you not agree that you should get all the facts before you start bashing.
All I'm saying is you should wait for a response from him before you start insulting him or series.
(unlike some people who seem all to eager to do so)

[EvilestDeath]

First of all, if it was an issue that happened during the rendering or compression then he did not edit his video. It was just something that happened due to internal issues.

Thats why videos are watched after they are produced but before they are sent to the public to make sure they are free of faults. It's not like this was an hour long movie and that would be something that sticks out to someone who put the clip in there themselves.

[abyssion1337]

Because both Zarx and this series have fallen a really ****ing long time ago and the sooner we all realize this the sooner we can top having ****ty videos.

[LawRayLiet]

Thats why videos are watched after they are produced but before they are sent to the public to make sure they are free of faults. It's not like this was an hour long movie and that would be something that sticks out to someone who put the clip in there themselves.

I'll just leave the second part of what I said right here for you.



And removing your clip would mean he would have had to rearrange the video and audio a bit.
Render it to a loss-less avi.
Then compress it, which takes the most time if you use high quality settings.

It probably seemed to much of a hassle and maybe he thought it wasn't so bad the way it turned out.

Basically, it wasn't worth the hassle of removing it.
And although it wasn't as good as the original, it wasn't so bad it needed to be removed.

Also, I'm not sure where it is now but there use to be an agreement section that basically said:
By submitting your clip to Minis you're giving Zarx the right to do as he pleases with it. Even if he wants to add it to the what not to do section.

This was at the beginning of season 2.
I'm not sure if it's still around somewhere.

[EvilestDeath]

So your excuse is because he dosn't feel like taking the time. Laziness is not an excuse in school, college or work and its not an excuse here. Try again by finding where he says he has the right to edit videos instead of just saying he said it somewhere. And once you do then I will eat my words but until then, quiet your outbursts.

Besides, after giving him permission to edit my Boondocks video from the western minis episode he did say he was going to edit it so not giving a warning is still not forgiven. (I can't show the quote because the thread its in is locked, I can only copy pasta the saying if needed)

[LawRayLiet]

So your excuse is because he dosn't feel like taking the time. Laziness is not an excuse in school, college or work and its not an excuse here. Try again by finding where he says he has the right to edit videos instead of just saying he said it somewhere. And once you do then I will eat my words but until then, quiet your outbursts.

Are you serious?
Are you actually comparing AMV Minis to school or work?
I could list 100 differences between school and a project made for the fun of it.
But I'll just say this:
School, College, Work = Obligation/Not Fun
AMV Minis = No Obligation/ For the fun of it

And you're asking me to find something I told you was probably already removed?
No thanks, I have no reason to do so.
It's not like anything you say has any source to back it up.
(I'm tempted to quote hundreds of the baseless things you posted.)

Alright, I'm going to stop myself right here.
This is tiring.
Not to mention pointless.

[Chewi105]

yea i didnt get why he did this O_0. maybe it was a mistake? even so, this wasnt right. he should have checked the final project before releasing it...
btw, why did you start a new thread? you couldve just posted on the minis thread, therefore zarxs attention would be grabbed... just saiyan

[LawRayLiet]

btw, why did you start a new thread? you couldve just posted on the minis thread, therefore zarxs attention would be grabbed... just saiyan

Don't you know Panda creates dozens of threads a week for no good reason? XD

It's what he's known for.

[EvilestDeath]

And you're asking me to find something I told you was probably already removed?
No thanks, I have no reason to do so.
It's not like anything you say has any source to back it up.
(I'm tempted to quote hundreds of the baseless things you posted.)

Alright, I'm going to stop myself right here.
This is tiring.
Not to mention pointless.

Then don't mention it to begin with. Laziness is no excuse to mess up someone else s work FACT. If you don't even feel like defending your own statements then shut up already. You don't feel like finding it because you lost now quiet and let us complain how wrong this incident is instead of adding useless comments you won't even support. Check and mate.

[EvilestDeath]

Don't you know Panda creates dozens of threads a week for no good reason? XD

It's what he's known for.

The only good statement you have said today. I agree, but its still an issue.

[LawRayLiet]

Then don't mention it to begin with. Laziness is no excuse to mess up someone else s work FACT. If you don't even feel like defending your own statements then shut up already. You don't feel like finding it because you lost now quiet and let us complain how wrong this incident is instead of adding useless comments you won't even support. Check and mate.

You are an idiot and horrible person.
See I can argue like you.

[XelaisPWN]

Oh, lord, this is devolving into a flame war...

Look, Law, I totally see where you're coming from and probably agree with you more than the other side, Zarx truly doesn't need you defending him.

This whole thing is ridiculous >.>

I'm sure it was just an oversight. **** happens.

[LOLWTFBBQ]

hehe this is hilarious! wouldn't it just have been simpler to PM zarx over the situation?

[XelaisPWN]

Yeah, really :P

I think panda's thread-creating-ness indeed clouded his judgement :P

[Chewi105]

panda creating threads is almost as common as jinzo flooding the fourms

[RBRat3]

Ooo this looks like fun... You know your posting videos here to be published where you pretty much give him the rights to use your work as he sees fit since there are no terms of usage stated on the submission page therefor its fair usage from there on. If you dont want your work possibly manipulated in any way shape or form then dont submit it or ask for it to be removed.

There... Now you two stfu and get my switch ima tan those asses XD

[thedarkmessenger]

I have to agree with RBR. I still don't think Zarx should do that, but he has every legal right to do so.

[EvilestDeath]

You are an idiot and horrible person.
See I can argue like you.

Too bad you still havn't proven your point. I still win your childish fight. I'm a douche but it's easy to tell kids off when they make it as easy as you have made it. And if your not a kid then my idiot comment holds true because no adult should be that flatline stupid. I tried arguing responseably but it seems that was a little out of your league. Had to lower my style to finally get to your level and all.

[EvilestDeath]

You don't edit someones work without letting them know. There's no way to justify that and there's no reason to argue. Actually this topic should end right now with this next comment because he's not wrong in doing so, but Zarxrax should notice someone has a problem with their video being edited without them knowing and he should deal with that persons complaignt in his own way without ignoring it. Whoever started this thread send Zarxrax a private message asking what happened and complaign only if you know he did it unjustly. I am not going to defend anyone anymore, not worth the time.

Anyone who argues with that needs to wake up and join reality. I shouldn't even be commenting because we should all be mature enough to realize that and I should not have to even say it in the first place. I acted like a dick and others acted the same way back were all wrong and let's have the big Z take care of it himself.

[RBRat3]

You don't edit someones work without letting them know. There's no way to justify that and there's no reason to argue. Actually this topic should end right now with this next comment because he's not wrong in doing so, but Zarxrax should notice someone has a problem with their video being edited without them knowing and he should deal with that persons complaignt in his own way without ignoring it. Whoever started this thread send Zarxrax a private message asking what happened and complaign only if you know he did it unjustly. I am not going to defend anyone anymore, not worth the time.

Anyone who argues with that needs to wake up and join reality. I shouldn't even be commenting because we should all be mature enough to realize that and I should not have to even say it in the first place. I acted like a dick and others acted the same way back were all wrong and let's have the big Z take care of it himself.
Actually it is justified (By LAW) he doesnt have to tell anyone anything the only thing he cant do is claim the work as his own and is obligated to take down the content by request of the original author if asked. There are no terms of use... you personally submiting it falls under fair use if you dont want it ****ed with then dont submit it simple as that.
This is where the fun comes in, Since your work is from a media content which is coprighted I dont think you can even claim yourself as the original author and I sure hope you got a **** load of money to prove that in court. If you got money to burn on something so small by all means go for it and maybe at the same court date you can get yourself legally claimed as a retard.

[EvilestDeath]

Actually it is justified (By LAW) he doesnt have to tell anyone anything the only thing he cant do is claim the work as his own and is obligated to take down the content by request of the original author if asked. There are no terms of use... you personally submiting it falls under fair use if you dont want it ****ed with then dont submit it simple as that.

Which if I were him Id set some terms up to keep whiney ppl at bay.

That is not a valid argument. This is a curtsy issue not law issue. It is rude to not give someone warning before or even right after editing their work. It's there problem so I gave a solution we can all agree on, don't try and start a fight when there's not even one to win.

[SleeplessPanda]

Um' . . to comment on all the statements . . I don't think I make that many threads anymore considering I used to make 2-3 a day and now it's more like 1 a week, and I'm sure Zarx' will see this thread and take a note somewhere that he made me very sad and try not to mess up like that again. As long as people know that I didn't originally make such a horrible clip and think I'm bad at making videos then I guess I'll be okay'. That was my main concern, that people would see that and think "That SleeplessPanda sure makes crappy' AMVs'.", which is not true. D=

[XelaisPWN]

I'm pretty sure zarx has stated before (in all the craziness about the ads xD) that he doesn't frequently browse the forums. I would shoot him a PM, dude. :P

[thedarkmessenger]

^agreed

[RBRat3]

That is not a valid argument. This is a curtsy issue not law issue. It is rude to not give someone warning before or even right after editing their work. It's there problem so I gave a solution we can all agree on, don't try and start a fight when there's not even one to win.

Its not an arguement at all, you should all be well aware of what you are doing when it comes to posting/publishing your form of media. You should see being courtesy is his choice not yours to make the point of being courtesy is an unexpected act of kindness or being polite. Your straight up demanding it which makes you a dick XD

[EvilestDeath]

^agreed

Oi, I deserve some credit for bringing up the solution. I finally make peace by acting like an adult and I get no credit for it. :( I have a sad now.

[thedarkmessenger]

^take a nap? :0 That's what I do when I haz a sadz.

[EvilestDeath]

Its not an arguement at all, you should all be well aware of what you are doing when it comes to posting/publishing your form of media. You should see being courtesy is his choice not yours to make the point of being courtesy is an unexpected act of kindness or being polite. Your straight up demanding it which makes you a dick XD

ar?gu?ment

noun /ˈ?rgyəmənt/ 
arguments, plural

An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one
- I've had an argument with my father
- heated arguments over public spending
- there was some argument about the decision

A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong
- there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal
- he rejected the argument that keeping the facility would be costly



Your comment was not agreeing with my own thus literally the start of an argument. It is not being a dick to demand people respect others hard work. That is something that just recently I have decided to do at all times. It is, however, being a dick to call someone out for not only being the peaceful one, finally, but insulting them for no good reason as you just did. Especially when I did not attack you directly or at all. Grow up.

[RBRat3]

ar?gu?ment

noun /ˈ?rgyəmənt/ 
arguments, plural

An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one
- I've had an argument with my father
- heated arguments over public spending
- there was some argument about the decision

A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong
- there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal
- he rejected the argument that keeping the facility would be costly



Your comment was not agreeing with my own thus literally the start of an argument. It is not being a dick to demand people respect others hard work. That is something that just recently I have decided to do at all times. It is, however, being a dick to call someone out for not only being the peaceful one, finally, but insulting them for no good reason.
Lmao I wanst expressing an "opposite view"... it was a statement showing an explanation on how it is.

[SleeplessPanda]

Okay' I sent a PM' Zarx's way . . I really didn't want to make it that personal, but since you guys suggested it . . If I get banned for questioning our leader I'll be very mad at you. D=

[EvilestDeath]

How did you word it? You won't get banned if you just ask what happened to the video.

[thedarkmessenger]

If you honestly get banned for "questioning our leader", I will be very mad at Zarx

[simpleton216]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21700000/U-mad-hatsune-miku-21727961-700-500.jpg

[SleeplessPanda]

How did you word it? You won't get banned if you just ask what happened to the video.

I was very polite about it. I'm not mad, and I like Zarx', but . . he's the boss, so I'm slightly intimidated by him. DX

[Zarxrax]

This was a techinical issue, and I didn't notice it.
If you are submitting videos in WMV format, I would strongly advise against it.

I do apologize for this, but I just didn't notice it. The time between when I first "watched" the video (and thus saw it as it was probably intended) and between when it was actually added into the project was probably several weeks. Thus when I saw it in the project, I didn't really notice that anything had changed. I just thought it was crappy editing.

Again, sorry about this.

[tanis_lionheart]

Wow...original was a LOT better.

WTF?

[thedarkmessenger]

see? being polite works! No need to be scared of Zarx, Panda, and no need for me to be mad :P

[EvilestDeath]

This was a techinical issue, and I didn't notice it.
If you are submitting videos in WMV format, I would strongly advise against it.

I do apologize for this, but I just didn't notice it. The time between when I first "watched" the video (and thus saw it as it was probably intended) and between when it was actually added into the project was probably several weeks. Thus when I saw it in the project, I didn't really notice that anything had changed. I just thought it was crappy editing.

Again, sorry about this.

Finally, thank you.

[RBRat3]

Damnit I wanted this to drag this out more XD grats on confirming the issue.

[SleeplessPanda]

Thanks Zarx'. I'll switch to the MP4 format from now on. The WMV format had never been a problem up until now though I guess, and no one said anything about it so I assumed it wasn't a big deal. My current submissions are in WMV format, should I re-submit them as MP4s or will you just be careful with them and make sure they don't mess up? =\

[Zarxrax]

Yea, so far I haven't seen any major problems with WMV files, so I don't know what went wrong with these. I'll double check them in the next episode to make sure they are all ok.

I'll post a fixed version of this Episode for download tomorrow.
Can't really do anything about the youtube version though, since it would remove all the comments and stuff...