[asukafan8]

4Kids screws up every anime they touch!
one piece, all that made what it was supposed to be was taken away!
Mew mew power, tokyo mew mew was good but, this is s***
sonic x, wasent very good in the first place but, 4Kids F****d it up worse than ever!
any more?

[Arden Jace]

Yu-Gi-Oh! if you're like 10ish.


However, without 4Kids, LittleKuribo wouldn'tve been able to make as many jokes in his Abridged Series.

[Atasuke]

We all know 4Kids suck ass. But my whole view on dubbed anime is that every dub sucks. I only watch dubs if I have nothing better to do, or if it's the only thing I can get ahold of.
(Like Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, I can only find the 4kids dub, even when downloading online. Though the original series, and second series of Yu-Gi-Oh! are easy to find subbed. Original = Never dubbed series, by the way).

And before anyone says anything about my view on dubs, the reason why I think they all suck is because of several reasons:
1. Usually major changes to the script.
2. Stupid edits (Doesn't matter what dubbing company, all dubs have some sort of edit).
3. Voices. The voices usually never fit the character, and then there is those that sound forced, for example Hinata Hyuga from the Naruto dub.

Only dub I've ever had any high opinion of is Outlaw Star, the one aired here in the UK (The completly unedited one, with the hot springs episode which is banned from being aired almost everywhere), not the piece of **** aired elsewhere. (Which was edited to pieces, aswell as the hot springs episode not shown.)

Man this is one of my longest replies. xD

[PeanutSteak]

I actually ran into some video showing just how bad the One Piece dub was a few weeks ago.

#10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj4_YJm-hlg

#9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBJFB58-Mb4&feature=related

#8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwQJUodiSdo&feature=related

#7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1E9IoOxLZo&feature=related

#6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GXQlTZgxA&feature=related

#5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIX1S9KqbM&feature=related

#4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbR5WYypOMU&feature=related

I think the creator got bored with it before reaching number one since I can't seem to find the rest.

[masterage]

We all know 4Kids suck ass. But my whole view on dubbed anime is that every dub sucks. I only watch dubs if I have nothing better to do, or if it's the only thing I can get ahold of.
(Like Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, I can only find the 4kids dub, even when downloading online. Though the original series, and second series of Yu-Gi-Oh! are easy to find subbed. Original = Never dubbed series, by the way).

And before anyone says anything about my view on dubs, the reason why I think they all suck is because of several reasons:
1. Usually major changes to the script.
2. Stupid edits (Doesn't matter what dubbing company, all dubs have some sort of edit).
3. Voices. The voices usually never fit the character, and then there is those that sound forced, for example Hinata Hyuga from the Naruto dub.

Only dub I've ever had any high opinion of is Outlaw Star, the one aired here in the UK (The completly unedited one, with the hot springs episode which is banned from being aired almost everywhere), not the piece of **** aired elsewhere. (Which was edited to pieces, aswell as the hot springs episode not shown.)

Man this is one of my longest replies. xD

1 & 2. Japanese will never translate 100% perfectly to English. A completly direct-translated section of anime will more than likely sound like yoda-speak... Then there's the fact that there will always be some culture references...
For Example, Crayon Shin-Chan. Most of the jokes in there are only really funny if you're from Japan...most of the gags are really a play-on-words/situations (for example, when the main character comes home and enters the door, he says "Welcome Home!" instead of "I'm Home!", something that isn't exactly funny in America/Europe, but is a mainstay of the humor in Japan)...and face it, a comedy like that directly translated wouldn't be funny in the least anywhere else...hence the major edits. Most of those major edits (read, anything shown on Amercian TV) stem from a culture change...and usually for a DVD release, both the original and the edited are included (or at least available). And before the entire 4kids thing shows up, all they care about is merchandise from the shows; doeasn't matter on how well or crappy the show itself is, as long as it's selling toys it stays.
3. Voices are based on the current talent and who's available. Not all English VAs completly stink, the companies behind the dub are (most of the time) trying to get as close as possible to the original. Thing is, there's the culture difference again. How exactly are you going to sound like you'vbe got the Kansai-dialect in English, while keeping the accent and still not sound like a complete goofball? You don't...one would say the voice sucks because he sounds like a complete goofball then.

I might as well be rambling to a brick wall, though...can't exactly convince someone that dubs are bad if they only English dubbed anime they watch is on one or two networks -_- People who use the "All Dubs are bad" blanket comment typically havn't seen very much, and they irk me so. Might as well market a device that is drilled into their skull and turns all audible language to 'superior' Japanese and then displays English subtitles at the bottom of your eyesight.

And dubs are nowhere near as bad now as it was in the past. Now about 75% of dubs reaches above the 'respectible' mark, at least. Note the other 25% is on TV -_-
And just a fun fact, the Ghost Stories dub is one of my favorites for the exact reason why you hate dubs in the first place ^_^

[Issitheus]

While on the topic of bad dubbing, I was watching the dub of Death Note on adult swim last weekend and there was something minor that REALLY REALLY ticked me off and annoyed the f*ck out of me...
There was a character named Ray Penbar. In the original Japanese version, it was clearly Ray PenbAr, but in the dub, they made it Ray PenbEr and it was incredibly annoying.

[Atasuke]

You do make good points, but most dubs are still really awful, I've seen a lot of dubs. Also you must note that aside from downloading, the only real access to anime I have is TV. As the closest store that sells anime is nearly 30 miles out of town, and I'm 14 and don't have the kind of money to get a train/taxi/bus there, and still have enough to buy anything.

And as for Crayon Shin-Chan, the original dub (from 1994-2004, not the **** FUNimation dub) was decent, I will admit, it kept more to the original script with few changes, most of which being slight changes to the script, and name changes, that suited the characters A LOT better than the FUNimation dub, and the voices suited the characters better. When I downloaded an episode of the FUNimation dub, I was like 'WTF?!'. But then the FUNimation dub (Aside from one really out-of-sink episode on a free DVD which is the original dub) is all I can get ahold of to watch that series.

But isn't it weird that the original dub which was made from 1994 was never licensed in America despite being made in America, and was only shown in the UK (As far as I'm currently aware). But we've gotten off the original subject of the thread quite a bit. Anyways, is it just me or has Shin-chan yet to do the 'butt-boogie' (What it's dubbed as in the original dub) in the FUNimaton dub? Though it could be because I'm only upto episode 7 of the FUNimation dub. I honestly hope that the UK never air that god-awful dub.

Oh yeah, and did you know that the original dub aired here on a kids network? Yet it wasn't edited all that much, and the script haddn't been changed all that much. It was also shown about 7:30AM before Monster Rancher at 8AM, and then again at 4:30PM after Hamtaro. The channel was Fox Kids by the way. How I miss that channel, it was our main source of anime, they showed tons of stuff, from Flint the Time Detective, and Sailor Moon, to Monster Rancher, and Hamtaro. I wish it had never gotten taken over by Jetix...

By the way, I have no clue if our Fox Kids had anything to do with FOX, as we don't get FOX, and it was it's own 24/7 channel.

And now I shall go look for torrents of Flint the Time Detective, Monster Rancher, and Hamtaro because thinking about those series' brought up a desire to see them again after all these years...

[yagsnave]

I might as well be rambling to a brick wall, though

QFT. Once someone gets it in their head that all dubbed animes are poorly acted hack jobs, there's literally nothing another person can do to convince them otherwise. One of my friends was like that for the longest time and it bugged the hell out of me. The only thing that can theoretically turn around that line of thinking is them voluntarily watching a good one. With my friend it was Excel Saga (he hated the Japanese Pedro's voice).

But ya, the 4kids company is the dub anti-christ.

[The Real Inferno]

Fact: 4Kids and Funimation aren't dubbing anime for you to watch. They don't give a **** about you. Why? Because there's a 75% chance that you've already seen the series in Japanese and would prefer to watch it as such anyway. Why bother to cater something to someone who won't be buying their merchandise or profit them in any way whatsoever and will never be satisfied anyway? Logically you would then make the dub geared towards your target audience: American Children. Note american. Because by targeting that audience you have to make sure you adhere to the cultural values and OMGRLY Japanese values are alot different. It's my opinoon that it isn't that 4Kids and Funimation are bad, they just don't feel like catering to the whims of someone who isn't within their target group at all.

[Arden Jace]

Fact: 4Kids and Funimation aren't dubbing anime for you to watch.


This is why I like ADV Films; at least they're trying to get people who in or past high school to watch their dubs.

[surgeon]

yes funimation is the worst dubing company aver naruto is the worst anime dub in history the heres a few examples: sake = elixer \/ drunken fist = loopy fist \/ datte bayo = believe it.\/ must I go on!!!!!!!!

[PeanutSteak]

I just saw the first Fatal Fury movie and it probably had the worst dub moment I've seen so far when Andy says something along the lines of "No, that can't be!"

[jopojelly]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Cindre/sd_helmeppo.jpg
Oh no! He's got a....uhh...thingy....

[Filleraol]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Cindre/sd_helmeppo.jpg
Oh no! He's got a....uhh...thingy....


WHAT the hell ! thats just.....stupid isn't enough....looks like a portable shower or something. Down with 4kids, slaughter them all for ruining all the great anime !

[Ellen Feiss]

yea we all know 4kids sucks but now thanks to them(for some ungodly reason) we know about other things like pokemon and one piece but your right they SUCK. if i were there with a butcher knife in there main HQ i would slauter them all, call funamation and remake all the anime they sucked at dubbing. thats all out of my mouth what about the rest of the world?

[Issitheus]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Cindre/sd_helmeppo.jpg
Oh no! He's got a....uhh...thingy....


WHAT the hell ! thats just.....stupid isn't enough....looks like a portable shower or something. Down with 4kids, slaughter them all for ruining all the great anime !


youre calling one piece a great anime?! what is wrong with you?!

[Ellen Feiss]

yea one piece plain out sucks but 4kids blows ;D but we can thank them for showing us the anime that was horbly dubbed :'( :'( :'( makes you cry if you think bout it long enough

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

WHAT the hell ! thats just.....stupid isn't enough....looks like a portable shower or something. Down with 4kids, slaughter them all for ruining all the great anime !

BLOOD FOR KHORNE!!!

Notice how the finger posing for the gun and the stupid fisher price hammer thing are the same... who the hell holds a hammer like that!? if their going to be dumb about it they may as well make it look better.
I hate one piece anyway so I shouldn't care, but oh well.

[Arden Jace]

BLOOD FOR KHORNE!!!
http://www.stephenboulter.com/chaos-undevided-champion-re.jpg
FEEL THE POWER OF CHAOS UNDIVIDED!

[Ellen Feiss]

BLOOD FOR KHORNE!!!
http://www.stephenboulter.com/chaos-undevided-champion-re.jpg
FEEL THE POWER OF CHAOS UNDIVIDED!
Good god if that was me i would have to lay off the staroides and also get laid ;D

[Arden Jace]

Good god if that was me i would have to lay off the staroides and also get laid ;D

The Forces of Chaos are like the Vikings of the W40K universe. I imagine they have sex a lot, even if 95% of this sex is rape.

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreenII]

Good god if that was me i would have to lay off the staroides and also get laid
You know nothing.

*High fives Arden Jace* Maim! Kill! Burn! MAIM!! KILL!! BURN!!

only CSM's I would imagine getting laid are slanessshi ones, and frankly, I don't want to think about that...

[Arden Jace]

Yeeeeaaahhhh let's not.

[Filleraol]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Cindre/sd_helmeppo.jpg
Oh no! He's got a....uhh...thingy....


WHAT the hell ! thats just.....stupid isn't enough....looks like a portable shower or something. Down with 4kids, slaughter them all for ruining all the great anime !


youre calling one piece a great anime?! what is wrong with you?!


Well, people have different taste, luckily :P. I, for example, hate Dragonball and everything that has to do with it. However, One Piece was the first manga I ever read and it was the anime that got me into the whole anime world. So for me it's great in that way ;) . Without it maybe I wouldn't be here today...man that sounded kinda corny...or something... puss hej :)

[Issitheus]

true... but it would probably f*ck up your views on anime watched later on...

[jopojelly]

.... o.O One Piece is about as good as Bleach, Naruto, YuYu Hakusho, and the like....

It's just not very well animated. pretty badly animated actually.

[Filleraol]

.... o.O One Piece is about as good as Bleach, Naruto, YuYu Hakusho, and the like....

It's just not very well animated. pretty badly animated actually.


Yeah, it still kinda looks like it's made in the 90's....they should "upgrade" the animation a little bit ^^

[Arden Jace]

I, for example, hate Dragonball and everything that has to do with it.
I feel ya there. I remember growing up watching DBZ and Gundam Wing on Toonami (at age 10) and loving every minute of them. Nowadays I can't stand Dragonball and I realize just how bad the English dubwork was on GW. Having gotten a lot more series under my belt, I just feel that there's much better anime out there than DBZ. Of course, having seen DBZ on Toonami probably didn't help, but I still don't have a desire to seek out a subtitled version of any of the Dragonball series.

To that end I have this strange animosity towards "mainstream" anime. Yeah, I know, my avatar is the NERV logo, I realize NGE is "mainstream" to us anime fans. My definition of "mainstream" in this situation, however, isn't what's popular among anime fans; rather, my definition is what's well-known in an overall sense of culture. Example: I'll bet there's a lot of people out there who don't know anything about anime, but know what Naruto, Dragonball, Bleach, etc. are. Personally, the Naruto fanbase has completely trashed any desire I ever harbored to watch that series. To date, the only cosplayers I've ever run across in public (keep in mind I've never been to a con) were people dressed as Naruto characters in a Barnes and Noble. I don't hate cosplayers, I just hate extremists and fanatics, and I viewed these people as both. Needless to say, I kept my distance.

I have my other reasons for disliking Naruto, however. I've never been real big on the whole ninja thing as it is, so there goes a lot of Naruto's appeal right there. Also, I avoid series over 50 episodes like the plague (thus I haven't seen Bleach, YuYu Hakusho, One Piece, etc.), though I do plan, some day, to watch Samurai Pizza Cats. I would say that the shortness of the vast majority of anime series is what's kept me drawn into the genre. In stories, I enjoy progression towards a conclusion, not towards a cancellation because rating have tanked after 200 episodes of the same thing. It just seems like more work goes into shorter series (12-26 episode series) because the writer actually created a story, rather than an idea he could replicate dozens of times.

Note to self: Posts in the wee hours of the morning always turn into rants. It's 2:52am here, by the way.

[PeanutSteak]

To date, the only cosplayers I've ever run across in public (keep in mind I've never been to a con) were people dressed as Naruto characters in a Barnes and Noble. I don't hate cosplayers, I just hate extremists and fanatics, and I viewed these people as both. Needless to say, I kept my distance.

I had a similar experience at a Border's bookstore once.

[Arden Jace]

To date, the only cosplayers I've ever run across in public (keep in mind I've never been to a con) were people dressed as Naruto characters in a Barnes and Noble. I don't hate cosplayers, I just hate extremists and fanatics, and I viewed these people as both. Needless to say, I kept my distance.

I had a similar experience at a Border's bookstore once.

Some people have no shame.

[jmaeshawn]

I avoid series over 50 episodes like the plague (thus I haven't seen One Piece, etc.)


it's obvious that you haven't seen One Piece then. Just because an anime is long doesn't mean it has no story or repeats a lot. In the case of One Piece, every one of the 330+ episodes is "To Be Continued" because it IS one long story. There never a repeat moment in the series, and therefore is an incredible series worth watching.




It just seems like more work goes into shorter series (12-26 episode series) because the writer actually created a story, rather than an idea he could replicate dozens of times.

Anyway, even some "replication" animes can be good if done well. (ie Detective Conan.) It's the same thing pretty much every time, but still leaves you scratching your head, surprising you at the end and leaves coming back for more.

So, please don't criticize a series you haven't seen based on a stereotype. Stereotypes will ALWAYS fail you.

[jopojelly]

There never a repeat moment in the series, and therefore is an incredible series worth watching.

Amazing logic you've got there. heh.

[Arden Jace]

I avoid series over 50 episodes like the plague (thus I haven't seen One Piece, etc.)it's obvious that you haven't seen One Piece then.
Yeah I pretty much stated that directly.

Anyway, I don't have the time or patience to watch very long series.

I suppose, some day, I'll watch One Piece. But that day isn't exactly on the horizon.

[azusaka110]

I avoid series over 50 episodes like the plague (thus I haven't seen One Piece, etc.)it's obvious that you haven't seen One Piece then.
Yeah I pretty much stated that directly.

Anyway, I don't have the time or patience to watch very long series.

I suppose, some day, I'll watch One Piece. But that day isn't exactly on the horizon.


I dont usually watch series over 50 episodes, but made an exception for detective conan, cause I absolutely love it. only problem is I've only seen 40 or so episodes, and there are upwards of 300
heh
no way in hell I'll see it all