[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

Well, I literally just finished watching Evangelion, and end of Eva, and I have a few questions:

1) First and foremost; What exactly happened? Did Shinji essentially restart all life on earth or did everything simply get converted into LCL?

2) Why did Seele wan to initiate whatever it was that Shinji did?

3) When the hell did Toji actually die? I thought it was said he was still alive when they got him out of the plug, if he was really still alive, then why did the series pretty much remove him entirely?

4) Although this isn't a question, as it is more of ... well a question. anyways, here it goes: Is it right to utterly dispise Shinji as the worthless POS he is? True he killed a few angels, but he couldn't help Asuka cause he was too useless to get inside the Eva.The fact that he ended the world based soly on the fact that noone likes his wimpy ass dosen't help his cse much either.Am I missing something?

5) Was the Seele attack on NERV Hq really intended to do anything other then speed up the events?

6) WHY did Seele/NERV want to set such events in motion?

and the last one is: Reccomendations for an anime I would watch next, I have already seen:

Evangelion,End of EVA
Chobits
Azumanga Daioh
Elfen Lied

I'm actually considering watching Ghost in a Shell, but I have heardthat its boring...stilll Any suggestions?
Oh Right, I almost forgot; I'm not hat big a fan of Ninja/Samuri stufff... just dosen't float my boat... I like the comedies/sci-fi (eg. Eva,Elfen Lied,Chobits) things along those lines... Thanks!

[asukafan8]

1. everyone died. but, shinji some how revived them (if you look hard enough you can tell also that shinji and asuka are in tokyo 3 thare is just alot of dammage caused by the jssdf)
2.they wanted to bring a new genesis to mankind whare everyone was one(to fill the gaps in the human heart)
3.Toji moved away in ep 21? i dont know ;)
4.Hate him! shinji is a little punk that could not help asuka! he tried to KILL her twice!(i love asuka hence my user name)
5.not realy
6.see anwser 2
i reccommed "love hina,The melancholy of haruhi Suzumiya,doujin work,excel saga"
http://halcyonrealms.com/blogpics/eoe.jpg
Asuka's fatefull battle!
http://benippon.com/shop/i/4063343251.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np9ah_c43s4 -love hina opening theme
Love Hina cast
http://animerepublic.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/tmohs.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXO0Baqzme4 -haruhi ending
The melancholy of haruhi Suzumiya cast
http://ultra-animes.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/doujinwork2.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiA55dSwJQE -doujin kork opening
Doujin work cast
http://www.kuliniewicz.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/across_excel_saga.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K50l-9RNBo8 -excel saga opening
Excel saga main cast
Wach the videos!

[AMVP]

First off, theend..., congradulations on finishing eva. That's no easy task (especially if your put off by angst, angst and more angst).
Now, as for what show to watch next. I would strongly recommend Death Note or Lucky Star, two of the more prominent series of late. D.N. is more in the line of Ghost in the Shell, I suppose, although you won't hear anyone calling this one boring. Lucky Star is kinda like Azumanga Daioh, but with a greater emphasis on cultural observation and satire (it's really just four high-school girls talking for half an hour, and I mean that in the best possible way). Both series are beautifully animated and can be found at animethat dot com (I'd post the link, but I'm worried about it being taken down).
Have fun with whatever show you go with.

[DicyDax]

Do not call Elfen Lied a comedy! It's a beautiful, and touching story, about how people are different and then still the same inside (damn that's the most soapy post evah)
Secondly ...Read teh manga... Toji died...

[Matt_Colly]

ilove eva, and have spent countless hours on www.evageeks.org (http://www.evageeks.org) researching...

good luck ;D

[AMVP]

Son of a... my post got taken down! I didn't even put in a link!
Stupid ghost. (oh yes, we're back to that now.)

[Matt_Colly]

damn laughing man...

[Arden Jace]

1) First and foremost; What exactly happened? Did Shinji essentially restart all life on earth or did everything simply get converted into LCL?

2) Why did Seele wan to initiate whatever it was that Shinji did?

3) When the hell did Toji actually die? I thought it was said he was still alive when they got him out of the plug, if he was really still alive, then why did the series pretty much remove him entirely?

4) Although this isn't a question, as it is more of ... well a question. anyways, here it goes: Is it right to utterly dispise Shinji as the worthless POS he is? True he killed a few angels, but he couldn't help Asuka cause he was too useless to get inside the Eva.The fact that he ended the world based soly on the fact that noone likes his wimpy ass dosen't help his cse much either.Am I missing something?

5) Was the Seele attack on NERV Hq really intended to do anything other then speed up the events?

6) WHY did Seele/NERV want to set such events in motion?

and the last one is: Reccomendations for an anime I would watch next, I have already seen:

Evangelion,End of EVA
Chobits
Azumanga Daioh
Elfen Lied

I'm actually considering watching Ghost in a Shell, but I have heardthat its boring...stilll Any suggestions?
Oh Right, I almost forgot; I'm not hat big a fan of Ninja/Samuri stufff... just dosen't float my boat... I like the comedies/sci-fi (eg. Eva,Elfen Lied,Chobits) things along those lines... Thanks!


*cracks knuckles*

1) Everyone did die, in a physical sense. Remember the scene with all the red lights flowing into that black sphere that Rei/Lilith was holding? Those were everyone's souls. Everyone's soul is still floating around in the LCL, and (as Yui told Shinji while he was cuddling with Rei, that lucky bastard) anyone can come back to life, if they chose too. LCL is primordial soup, the building blocks of life. Proteins, amino acids, carbohydrates, etc.

2) asukafan8 got this pretty straight. SEELE wanted to speed up human evolution, and believed that collecting all of humanity into one entity would achieve this. They believed this was the correct way to do things, because of what they had read in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

3) In the anime, Toji loses his leg. In the manga, Toji gets killed. Either way, he's removed from the show because he doesn't serve a purpose anymore. There's no reason to keep a one-legged Toji around (along with Kensuke, for that matter) if Shinji, Rei, and Asuka aren't going to school.

4) No, you should not despise Shinji solely because of how NGE ended. Shinji was put on the spot; he didn't exactly consent to being given the powers of a god. If you remember one of SEELE's meetings at the beginning of EoE, they discuss how using Unit-01 is not how they originally wanted to do things, but would be a "suitable substitute" for their plans. Also, the Third Impact that played out is not the one that anyone at all planned for. Gendo didn't get his wife back (as per his plans), humanity didn't permanently bond as one entity (as per SEELE's plans), and humanity didn't return to Adam and Lilith (as per the Angels plans). Going back to Shinji: If anything, he should be praised for finally getting over his phobia of being emotionally hurt, even if it did take an apocalypse to make him realize that. It's hard to catch, but the reason Shinji "revives" is because he comes to the conclusion that life with individuality and emotional pain is better than a life devoid of both, which is the "correct" conclusion. This is why the TV series ends with the infamous "Congratulations!" scene; he's being praised for reaching this conclusion about life.

5) SEELE ordered the JSSDF to attack NERV HQ because Gendo was no longer following their plans. (Hot ****, a short answer)

6) As asukafan8 put it, see Answer 2.


Now, as for other anime to watch... I suggest Outlaw Star/Cowboy Bebop/Martian Successor Nadesico if you like sci-fi. As someone else already put it, Excel Saga is pretty damn good too, if you like ridiculousness. If you wanna see something about as trippy as NGE, go watch Akira or an Eva-lite (i.e. RahXephon, Brain Powerd) or Megazone 23. I also recommend Haruhi Suzumiya if you want comedy, along with Hellsing if you like vampires and gunfights.

[Matt_Colly]

1) First and foremost; What exactly happened? Did Shinji essentially restart all life on earth or did everything simply get converted into LCL?

2) Why did Seele wan to initiate whatever it was that Shinji did?

3) When the hell did Toji actually die? I thought it was said he was still alive when they got him out of the plug, if he was really still alive, then why did the series pretty much remove him entirely?

4) Although this isn't a question, as it is more of ... well a question. anyways, here it goes: Is it right to utterly dispise Shinji as the worthless POS he is? True he killed a few angels, but he couldn't help Asuka cause he was too useless to get inside the Eva.The fact that he ended the world based soly on the fact that noone likes his wimpy ass dosen't help his cse much either.Am I missing something?

5) Was the Seele attack on NERV Hq really intended to do anything other then speed up the events?

6) WHY did Seele/NERV want to set such events in motion?

and the last one is: Reccomendations for an anime I would watch next, I have already seen:

Evangelion,End of EVA
Chobits
Azumanga Daioh
Elfen Lied

I'm actually considering watching Ghost in a Shell, but I have heardthat its boring...stilll Any suggestions?
Oh Right, I almost forgot; I'm not hat big a fan of Ninja/Samuri stufff... just dosen't float my boat... I like the comedies/sci-fi (eg. Eva,Elfen Lied,Chobits) things along those lines... Thanks!


*cracks knuckles*

1) Everyone did die, in a physical sense. Remember the scene with all the red lights flowing into that black sphere that Rei/Lilith was holding? Those were everyone's souls. Everyone's soul is still floating around in the LCL, and (as Yui told Shinji while he was cuddling with Rei, that lucky bastard) anyone can come back to life, if they chose too. LCL is primordial soup, the building blocks of life. Proteins, amino acids, carbohydrates, etc.

2) asukafan8 got this pretty straight. SEELE wanted to speed up human evolution, and believed that collecting all of humanity into one entity would achieve this. They believed this was the correct way to do things, because of what they had read in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

3) In the anime, Toji loses his leg. In the manga, Toji gets killed. Either way, he's removed from the show because he doesn't serve a purpose anymore. There's no reason to keep a one-legged Toji around (along with Kensuke, for that matter) if Shinji, Rei, and Asuka aren't going to school.

4) No, you should not despise Shinji solely because of how NGE ended. Shinji was put on the spot; he didn't exactly consent to being given the powers of a god. If you remember one of SEELE's meetings at the beginning of EoE, they discuss how using Unit-01 is not how they originally wanted to do things, but would be a "suitable substitute" for their plans. Also, the Third Impact that played out is not the one that anyone at all planned for. Gendo didn't get his wife back (as per his plans), humanity didn't permanently bond as one entity (as per SEELE's plans), and humanity didn't return to Adam and Lilith (as per the Angels plans). Going back to Shinji: If anything, he should be praised for finally getting over his phobia of being emotionally hurt, even if it did take an apocalypse to make him realize that. It's hard to catch, but the reason Shinji "revives" is because he comes to the conclusion that life with individuality and emotional pain is better than a life devoid of both, which is the "correct" conclusion. This is why the TV series ends with the infamous "Congratulations!" scene; he's being praised for reaching this conclusion about life.

5) SEELE ordered the JSSDF to attack NERV HQ because Gendo was no longer following their plans. (Hot ****, a short answer)

6) As asukafan8 put it, see Answer 2.


Now, as for other anime to watch... I suggest Outlaw Star/Cowboy Bebop/Martian Successor Nadesico if you like sci-fi. As someone else already put it, Excel Saga is pretty damn good too, if you like ridiculousness. If you wanna see something about as trippy as NGE, go watch Akira or an Eva-lite (i.e. RahXephon, Brain Powerd) or Megazone 23. I also recommend Haruhi Suzumiya if you want comedy, along with Hellsing if you like vampires and gunfights.


i wanted to read through all of your answers and pick them apart with my vast eva knowledge, but all in all i think you got it. haha, i disagree completly with shinji ever realizing any sort of "conclusion" but that would take hundreds of posts to clear up, haha. It is such a good story i think because people have such polar positions on these matters, and it leaves a lot of room to speculate and to work the story out for yourself depending on how your own mind and ideology works. I watched eva and EoE about 8 times all the way through now, and each time i come away with something different because the point in my life i am at and the recent events in my own being play out in the way you view the show and as such, what you take from it.

I guess i am just too much a fan of happy endings and would have killed to see shinji and asuka together after my first viewing, but as i watched it more and more i realized that the union of the two is near impossible. (with that being said, lets see where they take this "rebuild", considering the director is off of drugs, hapilly married, and has enough money to keep himself fed...anyone smell a happy ending?) ;D

[Matt_Colly]

oh, and i think you should check out infinite ryvius, love hina, full metal panic:fumoffu, fate stay night... ;D

[Arden Jace]

You could write books on the Shinji-Asuka relationship. Seriously.

And I agree completely with how no two people look at NGE the same way. ****, Anno himself said he wrote it that way on purpose, and that's one of the things I really appreciate about it. NGE makes you think. It gives you just enough information that you can basically fill out the rest of the details based on what is there and how you look at what is there.

[Matt_Colly]

you going to follow the rebuild at all? from what i have read it seems like a well thought out addition to the series...considering it may possibly take place FAR in the future from E.o.E and the only one who knows is Kaworu... ;D

[DicyDax]

oh, and i think you should check out love hina

I bet you do matt, i bet you do ...

[Matt_Colly]

oh, and i think you should check out love hina

I bet you do matt, i bet you do ...


again, haha. you got me dax

[DicyDax]

I know your weakness matt... I simply know it...

[AMVP]

Son of a... my post got taken down! I didn't even put in a link!
Stupid ghost. (oh yes, we're back to that now.)


And now it's up again. (*sigh of exasperation*)

Anyway, I'd love to join in the conversation (I did read all you guys had to say), but:
1. I don't know much more than the next guy about the show and even less about the movies.

and B. I kinda don't care.

More than happy to sit to one side and listen, though.

[Arden Jace]

you going to follow the rebuild at all? from what i have read it seems like a well thought out addition to the series...considering it may possibly take place FAR in the future from E.o.E and the only one who knows is Kaworu... ;D


Most likely, yes, I am going to watch the Rebuild project. However, I'm disappointed that they're planning it as a sort of watered-down retelling of the original plot with some extras thrown in (Kaoru's early entrance, another new pilot, etc.).

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

Thanks for the answers! Unfortunately you were too late, cause I started Ghost in a shell, but I will difantely consider you suggestions as my next.

I guess I kinda blocked eps 25 and most of 26, cause it was just getting really damn confusing, and I was loseing patience with the "then thats myself in someoneelse looking at myself seeing myself " stuff was in my opinion, needlessly excessive, and just turned me off. and Yes, I think ending the TV series with 'Congratulations!' 'Congratulations! was just stupid as hell, considering it has no impact whatsoever on the events taking place then and there, and just seeing Shinji's father along with his friends and other saying it over and over again almost threw me into a frenzy.

I Personally liked EOE, it was awesome. I HATED the first part, though frikken clips of everything that happened EVER in the series.. why show it again, with probably about 20 minutes of new stuff? If your watching EoE, it should be assumed that you watched the rest of the series and don't need a 'here is what happened' segment.


I just remmebered something that pissed me off about Chobits: in not one, but TWO Episodes, they basically retold the entire series for no reason, true they had some character or anothre say "Oh, remember when THIS happened?" and then procede to show a past episode.

that REALLY pissed me off, as I'm sure it mast have done for some fans, seriously why in the hell would you do that? A Big damn waste of time.

[Arden Jace]

I get the feeling you ended up watching Death & Rebirth (or at least the Death segment) and then EoE, seeing as the opening scene in EoE is the infamous "Shinji standing over Asuka's bed" scene. I would've called it something else, but I'm trying to be tasteful. ;)

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

Well THATS odd.. I must have seen it all then, because I rmember the scene you are etalking about and being pretting confused.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Do not call Elfen Lied a comedy! It's a beautiful, and touching story, about how people are different and then still the same inside (damn that's the most soapy post evah)
Secondly ...Read teh manga... Toji died...


Now why should you trust the manga on that part?

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

Oh and another thing; what heppened to all the civilians during SEELE's raid? did they bothre fighting back? or were they too busy getting shot and ying to really do anything useful? Or were they noewhere near NERV at all ( I don't belive this cause all of them were in the geofront, and it would be kinda hard to miss two or three divisions of troops running around shooting and blowing stff up.

I would have liked to see that nerdy kid die: SERVES HIM RIGHT FOR BEING SUCH A DAMN WANNABE!

and: do you think more then just Asuka were going to come back? I hope so.

[Arden Jace]

Oh and another thing; what heppened to all the civilians during SEELE's raid? did they bothre fighting back? or were they too busy getting shot and ying to really do anything useful? Or were they noewhere near NERV at all ( I don't belive this cause all of them were in the geofront, and it would be kinda hard to miss two or three divisions of troops running around shooting and blowing stff up.

I would have liked to see that nerdy kid die: SERVES HIM RIGHT FOR BEING SUCH A DAMN WANNABE!

and: do you think more then just Asuka were going to come back? I hope so.



If by "civilians" you mean the other NERV personnel, they most certainly fought back. If by "civilians" you mean "the Tokyo-3 townsfolk," well, most of them were either dead or evacuated because the city had been essentially leveled.

Going by the way Yui put things to Shinji, anyone who wants their identity back will get it, and thus "return" the same way that Asuka and Shinji did. My guess is that, at some point, most people will get sick of a lack of individuality and thus return.

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

then why didn't everyone return atonce, cause I would imagine everyone would be feeling the sensation of "OH NO! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!" and return immediately, also: whats going to be done about the big severed head lying on their planet? the 'blood belt'?

[Arden Jace]

then why didn't everyone return atonce, cause I would imagine everyone would be feeling the sensation of "OH NO! WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!" and return immediately, also: whats going to be done about the big severed head lying on their planet? the 'blood belt'?


What's to say they didn't? Or couldn't? Hell, that scene where Shinji bobs up out of the LCL and onto the beach lasts all of 2 minutes, at most. It's the very immediate aftermath of the entire incident.

As far as all the mess that was made... ask Asuka and Shinji after they repopulate the earth.

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

after watching shinji, he would prbably want to talk to it until Rei came back, which would never ever happen.

[yagsnave]

If you haven't seen Cowboy Bebop, that would be a good choice. Action splashed with some comedy, and one of most thorough well constructed endings I've ever seen.

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

no fair WHY do I always MISS every anime I think has potential? Cause every time in midanime I think: This will be cool in future seasons! but NOOO! It ended already! I DEMAND THAT NO ANIME ENDS UNTILL I HAVE SEEN IT.

[Arden Jace]

One of the things I've always appreciated about anime is that they do end. I never like how American shows take one idea for one episode, and then repeat it 200 times will little variation. Anime takes a concept, builds a story about it, and tells said story, and ends said story. I think this has something to do with how anime is "converted" from manga, which are essentially comic books, in my eyes.

[PeanutSteak]

I never like how American shows take one idea for one episode, and then repeat it 200 times will little variation. Anime takes a concept, builds a story about it, and tells said story, and ends said story.

Except for Pokemon which was pretty much the same thing over and over again.

[Arden Jace]

Good point. But as with any rule, there are exceptions.

[AMVP]

For a show with such noticable timelines like Pokemon, the characters never get any older, do they? Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't Ash be in his twenties by now?

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

well, I'm not saying continuing them indefinately (sorry if my last post was unclear about this), I'm just saying continue them until I have caught up with them, and then conclude the story.

also Jace I would appreciate it if you could get that picture out of your sig, seeing it once was ok, but seeing that ****nazi symbol time and time again wears on my better judgement. Primarily cause I don't think its something to be joked about.

[Arden Jace]

Done and done. My appologies.

[TheEndOfAllThingsGreen]

thanks Jace, its much appreciated.